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    joesilver
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    The white Blue Ivy

    You gotta love nepotism

    But this one is so shameless

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    If Taylor was waiting for voting to be over before crediting Joe, she would have added him to credits in Jan when voting ended. Not after winning aoty. She clearly was waiting to win and did not want to go through hassle of updating credits in case there was no reward.

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    Taylor helping Joe get a Grammy so he can help her get an Oscar! Strategic Queen and King!

    FYC: Grammys 2022

    AOTY: evermore
    ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo: willow
    Pop Album: evermore
    Pop Duo: evermore w Bon Iver
    Rap Song/ Melodic Rap: closure
    Dance Recording: long story short
    Remix Recording: Love Story (elvira)
    Country Solo/Country Song: cowboy like me
    Country Duo: You All Over Me w Marren Morris
    American Roots Perf/Song: ivy
    Gospel Per: epiphany (live)
    Rock Perf/Song: ‘tis the damn season
    Music Video: willow
    Music Film: folklore studio sessions

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    why this is still a thing….. actual fraud is happening on spotify whenever scooter clients drop something not here! we’re not gonna ruin their cute relationship!

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    why this is still a thing….. actual fraud is happening on spotify whenever scooter clients drop something not here! we’re not gonna ruin their cute relationship!

    Who cares. The press about Joe getting a Grammy is nothing but positive and great! Goldderby stays losing and getting mad for nothing!
    Taylor can give credit to whoever the fuck she wants. It’s her damn Grammy! 🤡

    FYC: Grammys 2022

    AOTY: evermore
    ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo: willow
    Pop Album: evermore
    Pop Duo: evermore w Bon Iver
    Rap Song/ Melodic Rap: closure
    Dance Recording: long story short
    Remix Recording: Love Story (elvira)
    Country Solo/Country Song: cowboy like me
    Country Duo: You All Over Me w Marren Morris
    American Roots Perf/Song: ivy
    Gospel Per: epiphany (live)
    Rock Perf/Song: ‘tis the damn season
    Music Video: willow
    Music Film: folklore studio sessions

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    I agree this is a fraudulent win for him but I also don’t think it’s the complete end of the world. I think they should definitely make the credits a locked-in thing to avoid this in the future but at least the credits are still going to someone who did work on the album initially. It’s just giving him extra credits to make him eligible.

    It’s also possible that they didn’t want to give him all those credits initially because he’s not a big fan of the limelight and they thought if they added him later then people wouldn’t notice. His initial writing credits were under a pseudonym. I do think it’s possible this had nothing to do with the Grammy’s but I’m admittedly biased and do recognize the specific addition to 6 songs makes that theory unlikely💀

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    The white Blue Ivy You gotta love nepotism But this one is so shameless

    Blue did sing in Brown Skin Girl. She deserved to be credited, so her Best Music Video win was deserved.

    Joe did not produce 33% of folklore. He does not deserve to win AOTY as a producer.

    FYC:

    Record of the Year: Hit Different by SZA ft. Pharrell Williams & co.
    Song of the Year: Good Days by SZA ft. Jacob Collier

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    Joe did not produce 33% of folklore. He does not deserve to win AOTY as a producer.

    how the fuck do you know? Where you in quarantine with Taylor and Joe last year? Where you part of the studio sessions with Jack and Aaron? Are you an executive at republic records? Do you decide for the recording academy?

    FYC: Grammys 2022

    AOTY: evermore
    ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo: willow
    Pop Album: evermore
    Pop Duo: evermore w Bon Iver
    Rap Song/ Melodic Rap: closure
    Dance Recording: long story short
    Remix Recording: Love Story (elvira)
    Country Solo/Country Song: cowboy like me
    Country Duo: You All Over Me w Marren Morris
    American Roots Perf/Song: ivy
    Gospel Per: epiphany (live)
    Rock Perf/Song: ‘tis the damn season
    Music Video: willow
    Music Film: folklore studio sessions

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    how the fuck do you know? Where you in quarantine with Taylor and Joe last year? Where you part of the studio sessions with Jack and Aaron? Are you an executive at republic records? Do you decide for the recording academy?

    Why are are you guys so angry about people questioning this? lmao The target in this situation is Joe, not Taylor.

    Anyways, you guys should stop being biased for 1 second and just simply question why was he added as a producer in exactly 33% of the album out of a sudden. Until then he had only been featured as a songwriter in exile and betty. We know for a fact that Taylor & him co-wrote that together.

    Also knowing Taylor, had Joe produced the songs with Jack, Aaron and her, she would’ve made a huge deal about it and be publicly excited and proud of him for months now.

    FYC:

    Record of the Year: Hit Different by SZA ft. Pharrell Williams & co.
    Song of the Year: Good Days by SZA ft. Jacob Collier

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    how the fuck do you know? 

    Because he would’ve been listed as a producer from the very beginning. Not rocket science. Stop being passive-aggressive to others just because this somehow affects Taylor Swift indirectly. Let me remind you that you don’t know what went down behind closed doors either.

    FYC | Best music this season:

    Arlo Parks - Collapsed In Sunbeams
    St. Vincent - Daddy's Home
    Jazmine Sullivan - Heaux Tales
    Tyler, The Creator - Call Me If You Get Lost
    Wolf Alice - Blue Weekend

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    People forget he had been with Taylor for more than 3 years before she started to make Folklore. 3 years is enough time for a student to earn a degree in music major in the UK. He may not be a professional producer, but why couldn’t he have learnt some ropes of music production in those three years, during which time Taylor literally released two studio albums? We know he’s musical and he comes from a musical family, and Taylor literally said that he was always playing the instruments. Finally, if both Aaron and Jack were okay with this, isn’t it enough of an indication that he did work in these songs? Do we have to assume the worst and doubt either Aaron or Jack’s ethical judgement?

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    Why are are you guys so angry about people questioning this? lmao The target in this situation is Joe, not Taylor. Anyways, you guys should stop being biased for 1 second and just simply question why was he added as a producer in exactly 33% of the album out of a sudden. Until then he had only been featured as a songwriter in exile and betty. We know for a fact that Taylor & him co-wrote that together. Also knowing Taylor, had Joe produced the songs with Jack, Aaron and her, she would’ve made a huge deal about it and be publicly excited and proud of him for months now.

    That’s easy. Because Taylor does love him to bits and pieces and she wanted to share what she had with him. But that doesn’t mean she illegally cheated the system and did the fraud thing. The simple answer could be just she wanted him to win an award with her, should she win the up coming Grammys. So she arranged to involve him with her, Jack, and Aaron in these 6 songs, knowing that he could pull the weight. As for why they didn’t credit him when the albumn was released, more likely they didn’t want their relationship to overshadow the album, just like he used a pseudonym to write those two tracks on Folklore. But she also wanted to promote the album, therefore she let the cat out of the bag in the Long Pond Studio session. As for the pseudonym thing for writing yet using true name to credit the production, it could be due to tradition. Writers (literature or music) do have this tradition where they write anonymously throughout history. Production tradition is different. His choosing to write under pseudonym could also be that those two tracks were personal to him (aka what happened to him in the 2016 summer), which Taylor more or less confirmed by saying that William Bowery was more of Joe’s side of the story when she replied Jimmy Kimmel in last year’s interview. After all, Folklore songs are character driven, thus his chosen of a pseudonym to write his personal stories were more consistent with the album’s theme.
    And if people are blaming him for getting a Grammy simply because of his connection to Taylor Swift, even if he did contribute in the project, I have a wisdom for you: connections are universal. Some people are born lucky. Like he wanted to act, so it had to be a title role in Ang Lee’s film, even before he graduated from the drama school; he was never really looking for love and just wanted to have fun and be a “quintessential panty dropper”, and yet before other ladies in the entertainment industry even had a chance to lay eyes on him, Taylor Swift had to got him and be totally smitten with him. Or like most young aspiring actors are struggling to scrape by in their daily lives, and yet he gets to live with a rich girlfriend, and has no need to worry money. Same as music, he probably never expected to be a musician, but once he wanted, it had to be with industrial veterans like Aaron Dessner, Justin Vernon, Jack Antonoff, and Taylor Swift, and his launching of a musical side piece had to be a Grammy AOTY album. Life’s unfair, better get used to it real quick.

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    Once again , no one would have not voted if Joe was in the credits. If they like the album, they would not have been like ohh Joe Alwyn also contributed , let us not vote because Taylor’s boyfriend will get a trophy too. Jack and Aaron pulled some share of votes. It is not like Taylor removed Jack and Aaron from credits.. those who voted for Jack/Aaron weren’t gonna take away their vote because an additional producer got credited.

    You underestimate Taylor, she is very smart, much smarter than her fans and you can be sure she had things planned well in advance like she always does.

    Why does her friend Selena Gomez have no Grammys (or even nominations)? Because Selena Gomez is considered to be an actor/celebrity – not a real musician.

    Same with Joe Alwyn – an actor/celebrity – not a real musician in the eyes on the Grammy voters.

    Does he have any prior song/production credits, album credits, songs on Spotify, songs on Soundcloud, musical performances on Youtube? anything?

    Has his name ever appeared on a Grammy voting form? No, he was added to the winning album, completely bypassing the voters.

    He’s certainly the least qualified person to win AOTY in recent memory and that includes the kids on the O Brother, Where Art Thou? soundtrack.

    But Taylor would have considered her chances of getting away with it and correctly calculated that once the win had been awarded to Folklore, she could get away with anything, because once the Grammys had awarded the win, they wouldn’t want another scandal so they would have to go along with it.

    But Taylor’s fans live in a dream world where Taylor is a sweet little girl who is cruelly maligned by haters, Selena Gomez has just been unlucky and Grammy voters would have voted for Joe Alywn.

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    You underestimate Taylor, she is very smart, much smarter than her fans and you can be sure she had things planned well in advance like she always does. Why does her friend Selena Gomez have no Grammys (or even nominations)? Because Selena Gomez is considered to be an actor/celebrity – not a real musician. Same with Joe Alwyn – an actor/celebrity – not a real musician in the eyes on the Grammy voters. Does he have any prior song/production credits, album credits, songs on Spotify, songs on Soundcloud, musical performances on Youtube? anything? Has his name ever appeared on a Grammy voting form? No, he was added to the winning album, completely bypassing the voters. He’s certainly the least qualified person to win AOTY in recent memory and that includes the kids on the O Brother, Where Art Thou? soundtrack. But Taylor would have considered her chances of getting away with it and correctly calculated that once the win had been awarded to Folklore, she could get away with anything, because once the Grammys had awarded the win, they wouldn’t want another scandal so they would have to go along with it. But Taylor’s fans live in a dream world where Taylor is a sweet little girl who is cruelly maligned by haters, Selena Gomez has just been unlucky and Grammy voters would have voted for Joe Alywn.

    What even… Grammy voters would not have voted for Joe Alwyn. They were voting for Taylor Swift not Joe Alwyn. All I am saying is they would not have retracted their vote if Alwyn was credited. If she was waiting for voting to be over she would have credited him after voting was over.. she had 2 months before ceremony🙄

    They saw Blue Ivy credited and weren’t like ohhh this girl is not a musician let us not vote🙄 The voters were voting for Taylor. She was the face of Folklore and Aaron Jack would have drawn in a percent of votes. If ppl wanted to reward Aaron/Jack/Taylor they weren’t going to see Joe credited and be like he should not get a Grammy so let me not vote even if that means Taylor doesn’t get it.

    Selena doesn’t have a grammy because she doesn’t deserve one. No one is saying Taylor isn’t calculated..she is and good for her..she manipulated credits to share her award with her boyfriend.. she did not take away anybody else’s award. Anyways done with this nonsense discussion.

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    What even… Grammy voters would not have voted for Joe Alwyn. They were voting for Taylor Swift not Joe Alwyn. All I am saying is they would not have retracted their vote if Alwyn was credited. If she was waiting for voting to be over she would have credited him after voting was over.. she had 2 months before ceremony🙄 They saw Blue Ivy credited and weren’t like ohhh this girl is not a musician let us not vote The voters were voting for Taylor. She was the face of Folklore and Aaron Jack would have drawn in a percent of votes. If ppl wanted to reward Aaron/Jack/Taylor they weren’t going to see Joe credited and be like he should not get a Grammy so let me not vote even if that means Taylor doesn’t get it. Selena doesn’t have a grammy because she doesn’t deserve one. No one is saying Taylor isn’t calculated..she is and good for her..she manipulated credits to share her award with her boyfriend.. she did not take away anybody else’s award. Anyways done with this nonsense discussion.

    Of course I’m not saying every voter would have refused to vote for Joe (just some), just like I’m not saying Selena Gomez gets zero votes in the first round grammy voting.

    I’m not sure what you have against Blue Ivy, but she has credits going back over several years.
    https://www.allmusic.com/artist/blue-ivy-carter-mn0003504703/credits

    Far more than Joe Alwyn.

    You think complaining about corruption and nepotism is nonsense? I guess you would think that if you support those things.

    Although I must admit it was very smart of her to wait until all the media was pre-occupied with Oscar Season news before making the changes.

    But yes, perhaps you should leave this discussion since you’re making less sense each time you post.

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