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I decided to open a topic for all users interested in the Lil Nas’ debut album.
Trailer – https://youtu.be/0A_e8rKlbKA
Confirmed tracks:
- Holiday
- Montero (Calle Me By Your Name)
- Sun Goes Down
- Industry Baby
RUMORS:
Pre order: July
Collabs: Miley Cyrus, Sam Smith, Doja Cat
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This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.This album is dedicated for gay people, that’s obvious. But this is the album I most wait for. Montero is my favorite pop song from this year and I loved all controversies about the video. It was a little bit like Judas or Wrecking Ball. I also think it will be an album full of nice lyrics. Sun Goes Down is beautiful. That’s actually a letter for Lil Nas from the past when he was in closet. Production will be amazing as well. Can’t wait!
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This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.Okay, funky’s posts are making me feel some type of way. So, let go in:
No one has time for the gay-panic-y and respectable politics shit. If he wants to make a super “gay” album he can do that. Trying to compare him to Logic makes absolutely no sense, especially when you consider the male homophobia, queer-phobia, hyper masculinity, gay shame, hyper male heterosexuality that’s always persisted in hip-hop. While so many hip-hop artists make albums that are redundant and aggressively hetero-erotic and hetero-normal. Why are you telling him in particular that he has it be “varied”?
Neither Frank Ocean nor Tyler the Creator have embraced “gay” or even any other “queer” identities (they have both suggested that they’re “bisexual” but haven’t really embraced any identity, which is fine). Neither have made any homo-erotic/romantic videos. And while some of their songs have a few lyrics that are overtly “gay”, they’ve also been careful about making sure that their “queerness” is more subtle and more difficult to decipher in their music. They’ve in general been very careful in their music and with their image and with what they say. In fact, the couple of times Tyler has talked in interviews about being into dudes and being in the gender, romantic, sexual, emotion, commitment spectrum he has mostly made a joke out of it, has been dismissive towards it and has come off kinda insincere.
That’s partly why some find Lil Nas X refreshing. He doesn’t have Frank or Tyler’s talent or musical ambition. And I’m not a fan of his music so far. But his image and new music have become unabashedly and aggressively out, “queer”, homo-romantic, homo-erotic. That is exactly what we need from a popular pop/hip-hop star. Who gives a shit if it makes some people uncomfortable?
It being aggressively “gay” will have little to do with whether the album is good or not. It’s just really weird to be telling an artist not to make something “too gay”. Very weird. That sounds more like a you problem than anything to do with Lil Nas X.
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This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.It’s just very strange to be telling a young black male not to be “too gay”. It does not read well. But I stand by what I said. If he wants to make a super, unrelentingly “gay” album he can. This is his first full-length project. It’s not like we’re on album three or four. Of course, you want some diversity in a project. But if the album truly reflects his experiences, struggles, dimensions and public persona then expect it to be very “gay”. And there’s nothing wrong with that. We have yet to get a truly, aggressively, unapologetically “gay” album from a popular “black queer” artist (and that includes Janelle). While male homophobia, queer insecurities, toxic masculinity and “gay” shame are still very much a thing (especially among us black people). So, there’s a lot there you can invest in creatively. The album can be super “gay” and still be diverse. You act like there’s not a lot to talk concerning these subjects. And if it’s not diverse, who cares? We get a shit ton of albums that are filled with nothing but unabashed hetero-normal dynamics.
So, I am here for it, whether I like the music or not. “I want more subtlety” and “the album shouldn’t be ‘I’m gay’ the whole time” sounds like respectability and “let’s not make the ‘straights’ too uncomfortable” politics. Yes, Lil Nas X! Be gay as hell. Make your album gay as hell! And truly make them uncomfortable!
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This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.Yeah, it is serious. When your only posts in the thread is “I don’t want the whole album to be ‘I’m gay” it reads as problematic, and you’re making the subject of “gay” come off hella basic. It doesn’t matter if you’re not “straight”. A lot of “queers” say stuff like you just wrote. (The Janelle comparison falls short as well. Her recent album was unapologetically “queer”, as was the music videos. But the songs themselves weren’t all that aggressively, overtly “gay”. Also, Janelle being a bio female, she doesn’t have to deal with as much homophobia and discomfort in the black community). Suggesting that you can’t make something unabashedly, unrelentingly “gay” while also making something good and diverse is a nearsighted, almost homophobic suggestion. Every song could be connected to “gay”, but every song can still be its own thing, and the project can still feel diverse. Just like plenty of artists can fill their albums with unabashed hetero dynamics or writing about one hetero relationship, and it can still be diverse. You can make a good, diverse album even if all you focus on is “I’m ‘gay”.
If the album ends up not being for you then it’s not for you. Whether the album is good or not will have nothing to do with focusing too much on “gay” or making it all about “I’m gay”. The first two singles weren’t even all that “gay” beyond the music videos. What you said just came off messy and problematic. I just don’t get where the hell you were trying to come from. But it’s not adding up.
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This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.Don’t even get me started on Tyler & Frank…
I give them a bit of a break. The gender, romantic, sexual, affection, emotional investment, relationship commitment spectrum is wide and varied. We all have our own dimensions, traumas, struggles and journeys. And they do have an overall good discography. But it’s also obvious that they are very careful with their image and music and careful with not coming off “too gay” or alienating “straights”. This is partly why many find Lil Nas X refreshing. (And I still feel some type of way towards Frank sponsoring that ridiculous bareback party, but that’s another topic).
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