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    Frank’s ambiguousness is one thing but Tyler…let’s not forget he contributed to homophobic straight Male culture early in his career. Which only gave permission to his followers to be more hateful & toxic.

    People are allowed to evolve, however, that always rubbed me the wrong way. I’m glad to see he’s grown.

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    Honey, Lil Nas X has been giving me life!

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    Tyler was a mess. For years, he contributed to toxic masculinity and male homophobia. But because he wore a wig during an era and semi confirmed being at least a bit into dudes those things get overlooked. He hasn’t really apologized in or outside of his music, hasn’t made any efforts towards atonement and isn’t really unabashedly “out”. But at least the messiness has gone away.

    Once again, I try to be understanding. I understand a lot of people (particularly “masculine” black males) contend with internalized phobias, hetero and/or masculine pressures, “gay” shame, queer insecurities, gender/sexual fluidity, trying to understand their dimensions and where they are in the spectrum, mental health issues, etc. But I do think Frank and Tyler, particularly Tyler, get too much credit for their “queer presentation”.

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    When your first post is only “I hope the whole album isn’t all ‘I’m gay”, it’s a problem. It’s suggesting some rather toxic shit. It wasn’t funny. And it doesn’t even reflect his first two singles.

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    To be fair, it’s not unusual or necessarily wrong to be wary of Lil Nas X using his sexuality as a gimmick to sell records. Being open and expressive isn’t the same thing as saying “hey, y’all. I’m gay and flamboyant!” on every single song or during every video release. I, too, am happy with Lil Nas X’s evolution and openness, btw.

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    To be fair, it’s not unusual or necessarily wrong to be wary of Lil Nas X using his sexuality as a gimmick to sell records. Being open and expressive isn’t the same thing as saying “hey, y’all. I’m gay and flamboyant!” on every single song or during every video release. I, too, am happy with Lil Nas X’s evolution and openness, btw.

    I’m really not seeing the problem with making every video as “gay” as he wants them to be. Is he starting to become gimmick-y? Yes. But even before being “out” Lil Nas X was a gimmick. He’s a “gimmick artist”. The music isn’t quite there. The vocals are bland and uninteresting. And constantly using spectacle to shield not being a good performer is transparent. But that’s a different conversation from “I don’t want his album to be all ‘I’m gay”. Very few folks think his music is good, that he’s become a good artist, has become a good performer, has good vocals. However, so many top selling artists are redundant, gimmicky, and mediocre in every way. It’d be nice for him to grow and give us something legitimately good. But I’m not about to single him out and put more pressure on him in particular. I just don’t listen to the music.

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    [quote]I’m really not seeing the problem with making every video as “gay” as he wants them to be. Is he starting to become gimmick-y? Yes. But even before being “out” Lil Nas X was a gimmick. The music isn’t quite there. And constantly using spectacle to shield not being a good performer is transparent. But that’s a different conversation from “I don’t want his album to be all ‘I’m gay”. While I’m not gonna be pressed about Lil Nas X being mediocre. I don’t think anyone believes his music is that good, that he’s become a good artist, has become a good performers, has good vocals. But so many top artists are redundant, gimmicky, and mediocre. I’m not about to single him out and put more pressure on him in particular.

    I mean, we can’t expect every single person, especially a straight one, to be on board with Lil Nas X’s “out-ness.” I actually think that’s the point of this era – to make people feel uncomfortable. I don’t really think the poster you were addressing said anything totally outlandish. You may not have expectations for Lil Nas X as far his artistry, but there are some people who do. I would love to see what Lil Nas X brings with his first official LP, since people say that he’s nothing more than a fad.

    I just don’t listen to the music.

    For those that do may feel a different way, and that’s totally fine.

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    I stand by what I said. Saying “I don’t want the whole album to be ‘I’m gay” is problematic and homophobic. It just is. And it’s an odd thing to say since that hasn’t even reflected his first two singles, just the videos. This probably won’t be entirely an “I’m gay” album, but if it is and you don’t like that then it’s simply not for you then. While yes, he clearly is purposely making a spectacle out of his queerness, being aggressively “gay” and trying to spark conversation. It’s rather intention and it’s fine.

    Suddenly expecting him to become a really good artist, good performer, lay off the gimmicks and be the “gay representation” you want him to be is kinda silly. We should not put these expectations on him just because he’s popular with the youngin’s and “gay”. He got famous off of a gimmick song. He’s so far been a frankly mediocre and gimmick-y artist, as mediocre and gimmick-y as plenty of others. It’d be nice to see some growth and talent and if the album is solid. But if he isn’t there, oh well. Y’all are trying to make him be an artist that he just isn’t. Lil Nas X has been all gimmick and spectacle from the get-go, and once again, that’s fine. If others can do it why can’t he?

    However, the main point I’m trying to make is that an album of “I’m gay” doesn’t reflect whether the actual music will be good and diverse. It just doesn’t. And to suggest that it does is problematic. It doesn’t matter how you frame it.

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    TheFunkyDeltron, the reason why Lil Nas X’s album is extremely important is not about the the strength of the album (even though like you I am praying that this album is actually a solid album), but that it is a step forward for queer representation. I mean they way that he is kissing men, grinding on other men, talking about how polarizing religion has been on queer people should be valued at the same level as Frank or Tyler. I haven’t seen anyone in the mainstream be polarizing as him. Frank or Tyler are not grinding atop of poles nor dressing up in sexual body costumes. And that is not a mark against Frank or Tyler, it more there are different ways to be queer, and Lil Nas did what need to be done.

    2021: Promises ~ Floating Points & Pharaoh Sanders feat. The London Symphony Orchestra
    2020: After Hours ~ The Weeknd
    2019: Titanic Rising ~ Weyes Blood
    2018: Oil of Every Pearl’s Un-Insides ~ SOPHIE
    2017: Melodrama ~ Lorde
    2016: Blonde ~ Frank Ocean
    2015: To Pimp A Butterfly ~ Kendrick Lamar
    2014: To Be Kind ~ Swans
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    And Monterro was a great track, Holiday was not. However, I hope the whole album ditches Holiday and keeps Monterro.

    2021: Promises ~ Floating Points & Pharaoh Sanders feat. The London Symphony Orchestra
    2020: After Hours ~ The Weeknd
    2019: Titanic Rising ~ Weyes Blood
    2018: Oil of Every Pearl’s Un-Insides ~ SOPHIE
    2017: Melodrama ~ Lorde
    2016: Blonde ~ Frank Ocean
    2015: To Pimp A Butterfly ~ Kendrick Lamar
    2014: To Be Kind ~ Swans
    2013: Random Access Memories ~ Daft Punk
    2012: The Money Store ~ Death Grips
    2011: Helplessness Blues ~ Fleet Foxes
    2010: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy ~ Kanye West

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    This is absolutely my most expected album release this year. “Montero” and “Sun Goes Down” are 10/10 songs, and I’m sure the rest of the album will be.

    Kinda funny how it’s trendy to stan Nas now. Us girlies who rode for him ever since Old Town Road charted and had to endure the laughs at his (very deserved) AOTY nomination have been through it.

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    I do apologize for misinterpreting anything. The initial sentence did not at all sit well with me, no matter the intentions. And I had to let you know all the reason it was inappropriate.

    Sorry Boz. Just because he’s stayed relevant doesn’t mean that AOTY was deserved.

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    I do apologize for misinterpreting anything. The initial sentence did not at all sit well with me, no matter the intentions. And I had to let you know all the reason it was inappropriate.

    Sorry Boz. Just because he’s stayed relevant doesn’t mean that AOTY was deserved.

    7 is a damn great album. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it!

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