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After backlash over the remarks from the Recording Academy president, where he mentioned how women have to step up, I am wondering if you think that the Grammys should bring back the performance categories where male and female artists would compete separately in different genres? What do you think?
ReplyNope. People want to scream equality but want gendered categories. It’s counterproductive. Bottom line is, the current categories are not the issue, and quite frankly, the winners have been a fair amount of male and female. So, it’s not like it’s tilted in one direction. That’s one of the things the Grammys have done right over the years, and I hope they keep it that way. The only reason I see the split happening again is because males dominated this year, but people would still whine if males dominated the general field and women were stuck in gendered categories.
So, I vote to keep the categories we currently have.
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This reply was modified 5 months, 3 weeks ago by PoweR.
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This reply was modified 5 months, 3 weeks ago by PoweR.
Didn’t everybody agree before this that women had not really been that successful in 2017? Or at least during the elegibility period? The comment by Neil Lastname was bullshit of course, but you all were talking about this before the nominations came out. The problem is clearly not the name or rules of the genre categories.
Can’t there be a time for some people and not for others each year? Isn’t that the most logical thing? Last year it was all about Adele and Beyonce, and Adele swept the whole thing. What if men had come out and said “where are all the men?” Or “grammysofemale”.
And part of this whole thing is that Sheeran won over 4 women. Is it his fault that his was the only hit single there? Or at least the biggest hit? The others didn’t come close. A song that, by the way, became a hit because (I asume) mostly women made it a hit. Why are women turning on him now, you put him there! You technically made him win.
ReplyCopy URLno.i agree with 6XNCH.
i would rather see Alternative Performance & Alternative Song categories.
I’m actually of the opposite opinion that the Alternative Album category should be eliminated. The majority of the albums nominated there can easily fit in rock or pop categories (or rarely something else).
They just need to add a Metal Album category because it’s so vastly different from the rest of what’s going on in rock music.
ReplyCopy URLActually no, I remember at the time everybody found this change weird but now I see it’s good the way it is, gender should not be a qualifying factor when categorizing music. Rhythm genres should be. And every gender has the potential to do any music genre in any position (performer, songwriter, producer engineer) perfectly.
The problem isn’t that women itself weren’t recognized. Of course male dominated the music scene in 2017 (just like women in 2009-2012 and for example there were only women nominated for best pop solo performance in 2013). It’s the fact that excellent or at least better bodies of work by women were snubbed in favor of bland and just ‘regular good’ music by men because it was more successful.
Let’s be honest, Divide was just Ed Sheeran the same thing for the third time, that was the least inspired Bruno Mars album, you could say Doo-Wops and Unorthodox Jukebox deserved GF categories more than 24k Magic. It’s just a regular fun album. And it’s complicated to award just a regular fun album when there were EXCELLENT deep albuns (that not necessarily had to do with any social movement issue) like Melodrama, DAMN. and 4:44 (or even snubbed ones like CTRL, Pure Comedy, Arca etc).
I believe people are missing the point and every time bring this to a race or gender issue (which does exist in the academy btw). The true thing with the grammys are their contradiction of being totally free from chart positions or fan voting but still only awarding the most popular and accessible. And worst, everybody outside of the grammies justify these biggest hits SHOULD win these awards just because they were big hits.
For example, the GF categories names mislead people since many think the “of the year” term means the one who represented the year by fame and not by quality or impact. That what makes incredible and legendary records forgotten because they’re not ready for it at the time it was released and then ignoring the peak of David Bowie, Nirvana, N.W.A., Björk, Frank Ocean, Kendrick Lamar and even Lorde’s Melodrama.
And after this year, people were like “oh, the grammys screwed up again. Whatever”. People don’t even consider them making bold or exciting choices anymore because every year they tend to make things more interesting but their huge unknown voting members are sick of it anyway and choose whatever they heard on the radio. And that makes Taylor Swift a frontrunner for AOTY with a bland album again. And nobody really cares at this point.
So what happens to the grammys it’s a reflection of the common sense thinking with every time a avant-garde or daring movement comes up. They reject and prefer the more comfortable choice for the moment, so a long time later they’ll come back and say that was revolutionary, amazing etc.
The hole goes deeper than awarding more men than women but it’s just the same issue humanity does for the last 3 millenniums with art. So, whatever at this point.
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This reply was modified 5 months, 3 weeks ago by
JGibson.
I’m actually of the opposite opinion that the Alternative Album category should be eliminated. The majority of the albums nominated there can easily fit in rock or pop categories (or rarely something else).
Have to disagree with this one. It’s always one of the best categories, in terms of quality (sometimes it’s easily the best), and if eliminated many wonderful albums would get snubbed for easier and inferior works.
ReplyCopy URLBest R&B Performance winners:
Corinne Bailey Rae – FEMALE
Usher – MALE
Snarky Puppy & Lalah Hathaway – MALE group + FEMALE solo
Beyoncé & Jay-Z – FEMALE + MALE
The Weeknd – MALE
Solange – FEMALE
Bruno Mars – MALEFemale=4 / Male=5
Best Country Performance winners:
Taylor Swift – FEMALE
Carrie Underwood – FEMALE
Darius Rucker – MALE
Carrie Underwood – FEMALE
Chris Stapleton – MALE
Maren Morris – FEMALE
Chris Stapleton – MALEFemale=4 / Male=3
Best Pop Solo Performance winners:
Adele – FEMALE
Adele – FEMALE
Lorde – FEMALE
Pharrell – MALE
Ed Sheeran – MALE
Adele – FEMALE
Ed Sheeran – MALEFemale=4 / Male=3
Yea, I don’t see any reason to bring back any gender categories. It would be transparent and quite stupid.
ReplyCopy URLNo, Pop Solo has always favoured females though, From the 35 nominees since 2012, 25 have been.
Males have only won pop Solo three times (Happy, Thinking Out Loud, SOY and there literally the no.1/2 on the billboard year end)
In 2012, 2017 & 2018 it was a ratio 4-1 female-male nominated, 3-2 in 2015/16 and let’s not forget in 2013 it was ALL FEMALE.
Let’s not forget when it was spilt the female category was usually always filled with hits while the male category was usually one real hit and tragic AC fodder. Even from this decade
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2010
“Halo” – Beyoncé
“Hometown Glory” – Adele
“Hot n Cold” – Katy Perry
“Sober” – Pink
“You Belong With Me” – Taylor Swift“Make It Mine” – Jason Mraz
“This Time” – John Legend
“Love You” – Maxwell
“If You Don’t Know Me by Now” – Seal
“All About the Love Again” – Stevie Wonder-
2011
“Bad Romance” – Lady Gaga
“King of Anything” – Sara Bareilles
“Halo” (Live from I Am… Yours: An Intimate Performance at Wynn Las Vegas) – Beyoncé
“Chasing Pirates” – Norah Jones
“Teenage Dream” – Katy Perry“Just the Way You Are” – Bruno Mars
“Haven’t Met You Yet” – Michael Bublé
“This Is It” – Michael Jackson
“Whataya Want from Me” – Adam Lambert
“Half of My Heart” – John MayerSince the gender merged, pop, r&b and country solo have all had more female nominees (72%, 57% and 51% respectively) and each of the categories has more female winners than male respectively
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Pop
“Someone Like You” – Adele
“Set Fire to the Rain (Live) ” – Adele
“Royals” – Lorde
“Happy (Live)” – Pharrell Williams
“Thinking Out Loud” – Ed Sheeran
“Hello” – Adele
“Shape of You” – Ed Sheeran-
R&B
“Is This Love” – Corinne Bailey Rae
“Climax” – Usher
“Something” – Snarky Puppy & Lalah Hathaway
“Drunk In Love” – Beyoncé feat. Jay-Z
“Earned It” – The Weeknd
“A Crane in the Sky” – Solange
“That’s What I Like” – Bruno Mars-
Country
“Mean” – Taylor Swift
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“Blown Away” – Carrie Underwood
“Wagon Wheel” – Darius Rucker
“Something In the Water” – Carrie Underwood
“Traveller” – Chris Stapleton
“My Church” – Maren Morris
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