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    Exile has a (small) chance to make it yes, but it won’t be a commercial pick. We were comparing commercial picks here. Also, we weren’t talking about winning and please take Taylor comments to Taylor’s thread. Thanks. This thread is about BTS. Why do I have to keep mentioning this?

    I didn’t wanna be rude but he talked about main contenders, so thought he forgot exile by mistake. Continue your talking, tun.

     

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    Giving this a boost although we still have nothing. Sigh.

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    Giving this a boost although we still have nothing. Sigh.

    It’s curious that they released the concept photo so early but we don’t have anything else. Not the standard version, not how many versions we’ll have, not if it’s a mini or full album .

    Do any of you expect a pre release? I don’t. I don’t think we’ll have any. I think Dynamite was the “pre release” .

    With the CD shipping in November it’s more than confirmed to be on the album or at least on the deluxe version .

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    It’s curious that they released the concept photo so early but we don’t have anything else. Not the standard version, not how many versions we’ll have, not if it’s a mini or full album .

    Do any of you expect a pre release? I don’t. I don’t think we’ll have any. I think Dynamite was the “pre release” .

    With the CD shipping in November it’s more than confirmed to be on the album or at least on the deluxe version .

    Dynamite will be on the album, it would be stupid of them not to put it, at minimum on the deluxe. That way, the streaming numbers count towards the album as a whole. Also, it would be a major selling point given the success of dynamite.

    I’m not expecting a pre-release to be honest. I think we are going to get a video on November 20th.

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    i’m sad we haven’t gotten much from them, but after txt’s comeback we’re gonna start getting things for sure and i’m so excited for it.

    guys do y’all think the ariana collab is real? i don’t wanna sound weird, but for a while i’ve been feeling the energy of someone powerful coming with them on november, i just don’t know how to read who 😭

    Yes, I think it’s real but I think I’ve made my position as the clown of this forum clear too.

    Anyways…

    I doubt we will get Aritan but maybe we’ll finally get that Khalid that Namjoon himself confirmed like 2 years ago.

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    BE promo on Instagram https://twitter.com/kku_twt/status/1319655527178063872?s=21

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    I think you are looking at it through rose colored glasses. You are right when you say Grammy’s are a local award. They are. No need to pretend they are global unless they prove themselves to be. Memories peaked at #2 on Billboard Hot 100 and had a run for 41 weeks. It was also #1 on pop radio airplay chart and had a peak radio audience of 144 million. It was massively massive as is all the generic Maroon 5 stuff is usually. Impressive streams too. Maroon 5 is also a grammy favorite in this category. Intentions peaked at #5 and spent 31 weeks on the chart. Justin has been nominated in this category before so he has history here. Intentions had a peak radio audience of about 125 million. The song also went #1 on pop radio charts. ROM peaked at #1 and spent 20 weeks on the chart. It’s peak radio audience was 73 million. Ariana Grande has been nominated in this category before as has Gaga who won it in 2019. Not to mention the grammys love Gaga. Ariana and Gaga had a big cultural moment with this song even if in my opinion it’s not very good. Dynamite peaked at #1 and has spent 8 weeks on the chart. It’s peak radio audience was about 41 million at the time the nominations were due. Counting audience after the fact doesn’t matter. Pop does not have a committee so it’s a popularity contest. That being said some of the weeks a song was on BB should be removed if we are talking 10/12 as a deadline but I’m too lazy for more math. When you get into the nitty gritty the amount of weeks a song charts if it was released towards the end of the deadline doesn’t matter. Dynamite has not been more successful than the songs listed above, at least not yet (and probably won’t be tbh).

    Just curious why you think radio and peak billboard placement are the only indicators of success. I could name several other areas where Dynamite outperformed these songs.

    Not saying it’s the far and away most successful song, but this fails to acknowledge the other areas where the song is succeeding. I think it’s more competitive than this post makes it out to be.

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    Can anyone explain this mediabase thingy? How can they say people are not enjoying the song when the spotify streams are doing so good? We know that’s not our fandom simply because armys never had this kind of longevity, specially when it comes to streaming

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    Can anyone explain this mediabase thingy? How can they say people are not enjoying the song when the spotify streams are doing so good? We know that’s not our fandom simply because armys never had this kind of longevity, specially when it comes to streaming

    I’ll try to make this explanation as clear and as unbiased as possible. Sorry it took so long, I wasn’t home for a bit today.

    You have to think of radio and streaming as two separate entities. What songs do well on streaming may not do well on radio or vise-versa. Radio is meant to be consumer friendly and appeal to a wide audience (or the targeted audience for that radio channel).

    Radio occasionally does call-outs for the songs they play to see audience reaction. Call-outs are randomly done. There is a database (linked below) that shows some of the call-outs when a songs gets above a certain amount of familiarity with the general public.

    http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?ob=16

    It shows you the radio potential for the song, how many people viewed it negatively, or positively, and the net score. The lower the neg number the better. The higher the pos number the better. The higher the net number, the better. The higher the pop score/potential the better.

    There is also burnout rate which shows how tired people are of the song. The lower the number, the better. Fam means familiarity.

    Dynamite’s scores right now are very low and very bad for longevity and in general. This can be due to many causes. It can be due to people simply just not liking the song. Most songs on the radio right now are pretty mellow so it may just not be the right time/environment for this cheery a song. It can be due to the heavy burnout its experiencing even this early on which can be tied to the song being played elsewhere like on commercials, sporting events, etc. It’s probably a combination of them, in my opinion with the burn-out being the leader of these explanations.

    This could mean nothing or it could mean everything. Savage love had bad callouts yet still went number one on pop radio. However, savage loves number were never this bad. What I think happens next most likely is the song will cap out at the audience it has now and start to decrease unless it’s call-outs improve.

    That being said, Dynamite’s call-outs aren’t super surprising to me. I had a feeling they wouldn’t be great (due to reasons above) but I also didn’t think they would be this low.

    I just hope the radio doesn’t use this as an excuse to not play BTS songs in the future.

    I hope this explanation helped. If you have further questions, please don’t be afraid to ask.

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    Just curious why you think radio and peak billboard placement are the only indicators of success. I could name several other areas where Dynamite outperformed these songs.

    Not saying it’s the far and away most successful song, but this fails to acknowledge the other areas where the song is succeeding. I think it’s more competitive than this post makes it out to be.

    Yes, it has succeeded in areas. I just touched on areas I thought would be more relevant. The song’s biggest obstacle, I believe is just getting voters to know their name and listen to their song. The way to do that is radio. The higher radio a song gets, the higher familiarity it has with the general public (and voters). For example, boyfriend by Social House/Ariana Grande most likely got a nomination for two reasons – 1. Ariana and – 2. Timing. The song was on the radio/on the charts at the right time.

    I didn’t intentionally mean to demean Dynamite’s success. I’m sorry if it came across that way. I love BTS and am an ARMY but I also try to look at the facts and be as unbiased as I can about their chances.

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    i had written something but it didn’t send, so basically: we’ll need to work harder for BE, since radio has always been hard on bts and now they’ll probably be even harsher after these numbers and with a korean song coming. older armys are aware of this, but i feel like newer armys (specially the ones that joined during dynamite era) might get a shock with the difference in terms of industry support.just don’t panic and enjoy the comeback.

    brian cantor said it on twitter, but this callout just means there’s a disconnection from the average radio listener and the people streaming/buying. by far it’s not our best case scenario, but it’s also not “gp hates dynamite!! that song is carried by bot fans only and 29149463 remixes!! BTS IS OVER!!!” like some people are claiming. let’s just keep an objective and positive perspective. the hype for BE is twice as big as it was for MOTS7 and their previous releases, we’ll do just fine.

    The callouts could mean absolutely nothing and the song continues to get played, as has happened with many countless songs with bad callouts.

    It could also give radio an excuse to drop the song if they choose to do so.

    And yes, just because the call-outs are bad doesn’t mean the general public doesn’t like the song. The call-outs are only a sample and also it could just be fatigue from the song in general. It is very much played everywhere to be frank.

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    I wasn;t familiar with the concept of callouts before today but I have read all about them and I honestly think they are quite strange… I mean I saw that less than 1500 people participated in this survey and yet it could decide the fates of songs with 30+ m audience . It seems just weird to me that radios would follow that . It’s too small a sample pool. I know radios dropping Dynamite and using this as an excuse is more a radio problem, institutional problem than the people filling in the surveys or the survey itself but I still think it’s strange.

    Also the argument with the burn out rate that Brian Cantor mentioned too, I mean Blinding Lights and Watermelon Sugar and Before You Go have been played since forever, I love the first two and I am sick of hearing them already. It’s been months, if anything I would be tired of hearing those and I’d want something new on the radio than voting badly on Dynamite cause it’s in commercials as well. But that’s just my opinion.

    And honestly if radios use this in the future to justify not playing BTS at all which wouldn;t surprise me ( and we all know why they didn’t play them in the past at all) then it would be again a really low move. Radio has too much influence over the charts and over what people ultimately hear and then go stream/buy when we know how much payola there is and how easily influences the rise and fall of songs on the radio charts is.

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