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  • Kai
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    If Americana block is so strong, why they didn’t support Brandi with same Bonnie Raitt passion, she had Rock support.

    This is something so puzzling for me. Bonnie’s win showed Pop support was split perfectly allowing for someone with outside support to win. Brandi should’ve been able to EASILY do the same thing in AOTY, yet she failed.

    I really need the vote breakdown of this year to somehow leak. I am convinced the top 4 vote getters in each GF were all so close.

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    Gucci
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    Honey, Brandi Carlile is no Bonnie Raitt.  Ms. Raitt been in the game for decades.

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    I agree that a ranked ballot system is needed here. Extending the GF to 10 has allowed messy splits that don’t make a lot of sense and convoluted ideas of how the winners came to be. Harry might have still edged out because he would get #2s and #3s but at least As It Was probably would have still taken ROTY/SOTY to make it make sense. On the other hand, I like that there was no lazy sweep in spite of the ultimate lazy winner we got.

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    Huerco
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    4. Without a favorite in the Pop block, BNA votes were probably dispersed among Anitta, Omar Apollo and Maneskin. The Jazz block was stronger than Americana (Molly Tutle) this time. It may have gotten support from R&B and musical snobs.

    I think Samara won with a big difference. It was probably the highest percentage in the GF. She had not only Jazz block but probably Classical block too and both are big. Gospel voters also could have support her and maybe some R&B voters if they didn’t like Muni Long. So deserving winner.

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    Atypical
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    Not much to “learn” here beyond splintered voting in the expanded general field nominees led to left-field winners. It’s the norm moving forward, I think.

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    lovetodream
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    im really hoping they just go down to like 6 nominees with ranked voting. that would deadass fix like all of the problems

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    ProfessorChaos
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    You have to always consider where are the rock, country, gospel & classical votes will go. Who has that cool factor, the crossover appeal. I thought Harry & Lizzo would split SOTY/ROTY for that exact reason. I was off on the categories, but that split did happen. The two songs of the summer, both viral, both festival headliners. The pop voters were split, but Harry & Lizzo pulled from all other corners because of their exposure

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    The fact Harry Styles won AOTY and lost ROTY/SOTY for a huge hit alone proves that the winners are rigged. Grammy voters always vote for the same person across the board, we learned that through the years.

    IMO, Styles probably swept the GF or MAYBE Swift got SOTY(since she wasn’t nominated for ROTY, she wouldn’t pose a threat to Styles there). They GAVE SOTY to Bonnie Rait because they didn’t want another Taylor Swift win, and ROTY to Lizzo to “compensate” for Beyoncé’s AOTY loss: they know the media would be accusing them of racism so they covered their bases.

    There is also the possibility that Adele won AOTY/ROTY/SOTY again and they(thank God!!) didn’t want a third sweep so they just gave AOTY to the second place getter and spread the wealth on the other 2.

    Just like 2 years ago, the winners don’t make sense(Billie lost Pop Solo but won ROTY for EIW even though it wasn’t even a top 5 song, while Don’t Start Now and Savage lost? Taylor Swift won AOTY, but lost Pop Album to Dua, who couldn’t win Pop Solo for DSN, and lost Pop Duo with an extremely baity song like Exile for a song like Rain On Me?!). They are rigging the results or maybe the voting process has changed behind closed doors and there’s a jury deciding the winners somehow.

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    If they rigged the results they would’ve just given AOTY to Beyoncé to avoid any backlash. Plus SOTY to Taylor and Pop Duo for BTS for the ratings. The expanded field just makes everything unpredictable, and also the category max thing P(oweR) Valley mentioned on the first page.

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    If they rigged the results they would’ve just given AOTY to Beyoncé to avoid any backlash. Plus SOTY to Taylor and Pop Duo for BTS for the ratings. The expanded field just makes everything unpredictable, and also the category max thing P(oweR) Valley mentioned on the first page.

    Nope. If “they” really wanted Beyoncé to win, they wouldn’t have nominated Pharrel in 2015 and Drake in 2017. They knew they would make things harder for her.
    It’s not about the ratings. “They” want what they want and they don’t want Beyoncé winning AOTY, simple as that. Why? I don’t know, they just don’t.
    I adressed why I think the backlash doesn’t matter to them. They gave another main category to a black woman. Anyone who still complains about Beyoncé losing AOTY saying it’s racism/sexism/whatever, is being oblivious. Why would they be racist just against her, in a specific category? This argument holds no water when another black woman wins another main category and they know it.

     

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    P(oweR) Valley
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    The fact Harry Styles won AOTY and lost ROTY/SOTY for a huge hit alone proves that the winners are rigged. Grammy voters always vote for the same person across the board, we learned that through the years.

    IMO, Styles probably swept the GF or MAYBE Swift got SOTY(since she wasn’t nominated for ROTY, she wouldn’t pose a threat to Styles there). They GAVE SOTY to Bonnie Rait because they didn’t want another Taylor Swift win, and ROTY to Lizzo to “compensate” for Beyoncé’s AOTY loss: they know the media would be accusing them of racism so they covered their bases.

    There is also the possibility that Adele won AOTY/ROTY/SOTY again and they(thank God!!) didn’t want a third sweep so they just gave AOTY to the second place getter and spread the wealth on the other 2.

    Just like 2 years ago, the winners don’t make sense(Billie lost Pop Solo but won ROTY for EIW even though it wasn’t even a top 5 song, while Don’t Start Now and Savage lost? Taylor Swift won AOTY, but lost Pop Album to Dua, who couldn’t win Pop Solo for DSN, and lost Pop Duo with an extremely baity song like Exile for a song like Rain On Me?!). They are rigging the results or maybe the voting process has changed behind closed doors and there’s a jury deciding the winners somehow.

    Grammy patterns and the voting body have changed so much over the years, so I don’t doubt these winners at all. There was a big difference between five nominees and eight nominees, so you damn sure know that a 10-nominee lineup would be messy. Not only that, NARAS have put a huge limitation on how many categories in which a voter can vote now. If the Grammys really want to “rig” the awards, then why not give Beyoncé AOTY and pat themselves on the back? Why play in her face all night and give ROTY to another black woman to prove a point that they’re not racist? It makes no sense. They missed a huge opportunity by not only gaining huge headlines but more cred after all that drama from The Weeknd situation. lol I think this is the level of voting the early ’80s and early ’90s had where the awards were much more spread out.

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    Bonnie owns the Americana categories, she has already beaten AOTY and ROTY nominees there. The fact is Americana voters don’t care that much for Brandi if Bonnie is there. Ms Raitt has been in the game for decades, a legend.

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    Yeah, that’s what I don’t get. After Bonnie won I was almost sure Brandi would be winning AOTY

    So basically Bonnie can beat Harry in SOTY but Brandi couldn’t do it in AOTY with Americana and Rock support?

    Bonnie is a well-known legend. Her win was reminiscent to how from 2000-2009 most of the big awards were going to huge vets.

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    I think you’re stuck on voting blocks and straight up math, when it doesn’t have to work that way entirely. It’s always a mixture of things.

    Just a small percentage of the thousands of voters going against the grain for their block would make a difference.

    I didn’t want to say it during the ceremony because I didn’t want to jinx it, but Harry won Best Engineered + BPVA, so AOTY made perfect sense to me. You have people who really appreciated its technical aspect AND the chart topping acknowledgment from pop. I know he was the only nominee in best engineered out of the AOTY line-up, but that doesn’t take from anything from it, I think it shows the trend even more. Most AOTY nominees were submitted to Best Engineered as well and didn’t even make the nominees cut, after all.

    How many times has an AOTY nominee won best engineered and not won AOTY? Wasn’t Love For Sale the first one in decades? And Love For Sale didn’t have the commercial appeal of HsH.

    My theory is that the biggest voting blocks are 1. pop and 2. r&b.

    Pop voters seemed to do an even split: album for Harry, single for Adele. Harry won all his album nominations and lost all his single nominations. The issue is that Adele couldn’t maintain her winning streak for the GF, but that doesn’t not make sense either, once you look deeper into it.

    SOTY had 6 pop nominees + 1 non-pop nominee that would have some pop support. Easy On Me was obviously the one with most pop votes. My guess is that As It Was was second. About Damn Time third. All Too Well fourth. Bad Habit fifth. ABCDEFU dead last. I think Break My Soul probably got some votes from pop. Taylor has never been a pop darling, but she does have a decent amount of support there, and that’s what broke the difference with ROTY for me. The fact that Taylor was in SOTY made Bonnie win, imo.

    Taylor was not in ROTY, but ROTY still had 6 pop nominees + 1 non-pop nominee with pop support. Once again, Easy On Me was probably the most voted song for the pop block in ROTY, with As It Was second, and About Damn Time third. Bad Habit, Don’t Shut Me Down, and Woman (the other three pop nominees) took a lot less votes combined than All Too Well did in SOTY. Easy On Me would’ve won easily again, repeating BPSP if it wasn’t because Lizzo has support from the second biggest voting block, r&b, which placed her first instead.

    Now, for AOTY, as I said, the pop voting block supported Harry the most. There were once again 5 pop nominees. In order of votes received, imo, Harry’s House first, 30 second, Special third, Music Of The Spheres fourth, and Voyage fifth, with the last two having very few votes. It’s likely that Harry had more % of votes from the pop block with album than Adele had with single. There’s also the fact that I think the pop voting block had more passion for About Damn Time than Special, plus, the r&b block also seemed to support About Damn Time a lot more than Special (which makes sense, because the r&b block would support Beyoncé as well, despite Renaissance/Break My Soul being placed in dance, and Renaissance probably had a lot more passion behind it than Break My Soul).

    So in the end, I think this si what the categories looked like:

    BPVA:

    1- Harry’s House
    2- 30
    3- Special
    4- Music of the Spheres
    5- Voyage

    BPSP:

    1- Easy On Me
    2- As It Was
    3- About Damn Time
    4- Bad Habit
    5- Woman
    6- Moscow Mule

    SOTY:

    1- Just Like That
    2- About Damn Time
    3- Easy On Me
    4- As It Was
    5- All Too Well
    6- Break My Soul
    7- The Heart Part 5
    8- Bad Habit
    9- God Did
    10- ABCDEFU

    ROTY

    1- About Damn Time
    2- Easy On Me
    3- As It Was
    4- Break My Soul
    5- The Heart Part 5
    6- Bad Habit
    7- Good Morning Gorgeous
    8- You And Me On The Rock
    9- Woman
    10- Don’t Shut Me Down

    AOTY

    1- Harry’s House
    2- Renaissance
    3- 30
    4- Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers
    5- In These Silent Days
    6- Special
    7- Good Morning Gorgeous
    8- Un Verano Sin Ti
    9- Music of the Spheres
    10- Voyage

    If we do % split for the pop voting block, I think…

    AOTY:

    50% of voters voted for Harry’s House
    30% of voters voted for 30
    10% of voters voted for Special
    7% of voters voted for Music of the Spheres
    3% of voters voted for Voyage

    ROTY:

    35% of voters voted for Easy On Me
    30% of voters voted for As It Was
    25% of voters voted for About Damn Time (r&b pulls through)
    10% of voters split Woman, Break My Soul, and Bad Habit

    SOTY:

    30% of voters voted for Easy On Me
    25% of voters voted for As It Was
    20% of voters voted for About Damn Time
    15% of voters voted for All Too Well
    10% of voters split Bad Habit and Break My Soul.
    Gayle’s mom voted for ABCDEFU.

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