February 12, 2019 at 7:52 am #1202773330
The lesson I learned was this: To quote Game of Thrones, “You know nothing Jon Snow”.February 12, 2019 at 8:00 am #1202773336
You realize that Shallow surpassed TIA in SPS despite being newer? You realize that TIA didn’t even make the TOP50 of Billboard Year-End Chart? Even All The Stars was bigger. The only thing viral about it is the music video, which is why it felt like a committee pick to me. If it indeed won the popular vote (which I’m just not sure about), it’s most likely because of its political message in the current political climate. That’s it. It wasn’t a bigger hit than Shallow (in terms of SPS), and it’s not the biggest in the category either. It did debut at #1, but so did many other songs that didn’t even get grammy nominations like Look What You Made Me Do etc.. Longevity matters more.
Shallow is a late release.
Even the GF nominations were too much considering that. The Grammys usually pick the older nominees. Thinking Out Loud is a good example of that.February 12, 2019 at 8:10 am #1202773346
Shallow is a late release. Even the GF nominations were too much considering that. The Grammys usually pick the older nominees. Thinking Out Loud is a good example of that.
Yes that could’ve hurt his chances, since at the time the voters were voting, the song has been out for two months only.
People initially thought it’d be an advantage, but I don’t know. We’ll see.
But the main takeaway is that pop voters really love her. Joanne is the first non-hit song ever to win that category.
Remains to be seen whether she can get an AoTY nod next year and win. The album is performing much better commercially than Shallow anyway. And her losing this year may be a blessing in disguise since it’ll allow her to compete in AoTY which is more prestigious. But we’ll see if there are new releases that do better.
February 12, 2019 at 8:31 am #1202773373
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Outkast won album of the year and best rap album so wheter it had crossover hits or not is irrelevant, that alone denies the nonsense the other user had say. And you are also missing my point.I’m not talking about the past, those artist you mentioned maybe should have won but there’s nothing you can do now.Right now you have a black rapper winning two general categories and that’s what you have now but y’all are still complaining when there’s literally a whole year until the next ceremony, nobody knows what’s gonna happen.Saying that black people loses because they are black or they should win next year just because they are black (like that other dummy say) is exactly one of the reasons why there’s a difference between black and white people.
Outkast did win AOTY because of smash hits. If that wasn’t the case Stankonia would have won against O Brother Where Art Thou Soundtrack. And I feel, like you mentioned that just because people are black or white that’s a reason why they win. Kacey won fair and square, and it was one of two favorite albums do the bunch so I can’t complain. I just feel like there are artists that are black creating their best work and not getting acknowledged. Frank Ocean losing to Mumford and Sons in 2013. Kendrick Lamar losing to Daft Punk (my personal favorite, but he was robbed of so many rap awards that night), Taylor Swift, and Bruno Mars. Beyoncé losing to Beck and Adele. So yes Childish Gambino’s win was monumental. But my point is let’s see how long it is for a Black Artist to not just sing about social commentary to win. Because let’s be honest if Childish Gambino created a song like Ed Sheeran or Adele he wouldn’t have won. It’s true and I’m not mad he won. That song is great.
Barnacles BroFebruary 12, 2019 at 8:36 am #1202773378
I think we have to wait to access the impact. I mean when a Chance the Rapper won, people were like SZA and H.E.R. we’re going to win. So we still are still going to wait and see. Hopefully they continue toward like they did this year.
Barnacles BroFebruary 12, 2019 at 8:42 am #1202773383
That don’t let Goldderby bully you into thinking Lady Gaga is bigger than what she was. I just knew shallow had no chance in the General Field. No matter how “baity” it was. A song spending two weeks in the top 10 was expected to sweep? Lmaooooo
And oh.. Trends are Important. That’s why they are called “trends”. For the entire decade.. the song of the year always peaks at #1 or at worst #2 on the hot 100.
The biggest Pop name is the biggest threat in Best New Artist. No matter who else is nominated.
It’s funny how you’re acting clever when we all know you predicted Cardi B would win Record of the Year.February 12, 2019 at 8:44 am #1202773384
I think what you are talking about is more of a genre bias, Bruno just won with an accesible R&B album.Not everybody likes rap and urban music so that’s the reason they lose,not being black.February 12, 2019 at 8:50 am #1202773389
I wouldn’t say Bruno’s win last year was a victory for urban music. He’s not considered an R&B artist by most people; he’s considered a pop star.February 12, 2019 at 8:54 am #1202773392
I’m just hoping they didn’t add some clause that allows them to alter some GF wins, when necessary. It’s odd that two media outlets speculated about that this year, while making their predictions.
Based on previous patterns, rap nominees can’t win if the vote is split, so either TIA is a committee pick, or Pop Voters voted for Gaga all the way and then defected to Gambino in the GF (which also seems odd, because why not do that for Kendrick who’s more deserving and overdue?).
I was just trying to make sense of what happened. When Beck won, there was some math behind it. But last night was just very odd.
There’s no secret “oversight” nominating committee picking winners after the popular vote. Childish just did that shit. Deal with it.February 12, 2019 at 9:11 am #1202773423
There’s no secret “oversight” nominating committee picking winners after the popular vote. Childish just did that shit. Deal with it.
That’s unknowable. We’ll simply never know for the time being. They kept the secret committee business under wraps for decades now. And most people don’t even know about it. If they make more changes to the prerogatives of the committee, we’ll never know unless it leaks to the press. To me, the Joanne win in Best Pop Solo, and Shallow loss in SoTY just don’t add up, hence my concern. Now if Gambino won for Feels Like Summer (which would’ve been as surprising as Joanne’s win), I can see him being that name check everywhere this year, but he didn’t.
Also the Grammy’s have always been shady anyway, even the media say it: https://slate.com/culture/2011/02/the-grammys-the-secret-committee-that-alters-the-membership-s-nominations.htmlFebruary 12, 2019 at 9:23 am #1202773431
Not here for boneheaded Grammy conspiracy theories. Thank u, next.February 12, 2019 at 9:29 am #1202773439
Not here for boneheaded Grammy conspiracy theories. Thank u, next.
Except that it wouldn’t be really a conspiracy if they did that, because it might’ve been needed, just like it was needed to overrule the popular vote nominations.
Maybe just go back to listening to your precious Ariana Grande.
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