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WINNER PREDICTIONS – Song of the Year 2020
ALWAYS REMEMBER US THIS WAY (Lady GaGa)
BAD GUY (Billie Eilish)
BRING MY FLOWERS NOW (Tanya Tucker)
HARD PLACE (H.E.R.)
LOVER (Taylor Swift)
NORMAN F***ING ROCKWELL (Lana Del Rey)
SOMEONE YOU LOVED (Lewis Capaldi)
TRUTH HURTS (Lizzo)
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    Whitney Houston, Elton John and Diana Ross never lifted a pen their entire career yet are amongst the greatest artists of all time.

    Pretty sure Elton John shouldn’t be included in that list. He doesn’t write a lot, but he has songwriting credits here and there.

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    Pretty sure Elton John shouldn’t be included in that list. He doesn’t write a lot, but he has songwriting credits here and there.

    The most important part of writing songs is composing the interesting and great melody which John Elton always composed by himself. And yes Diana Ross, Whitney, Aretha, Elvis Presley and many more never wrote their songs and that means their songs aren’t technucally theirs and they don’t represent their talent, they just perform in it, same like people who do covers.

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    Whitney Houston, Elton John and Diana Ross never lifted a pen their entire career yet are amongst the greatest artists of all time.

    That’s because there is more to art then writing lyrics. Singing, instruments, composing are also a form of art. Elton John composes music. Whitney Houston was one of the greatest singers ever. Diana Ross has a beautiful voice.

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    Pretty sure Elton John shouldn’t be included in that list. He doesn’t write a lot, but he has songwriting credits here and there.

    Songwriting credits here and there? He writes the music on all of his songs. He does not write lyrics.

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    Songwriting credits here and there? He writes the music on all of his songs. He does not write lyrics.

    Good luck trying to explain this. Some of these people think that lyric and melody are the only things that make a song, and that you have to give a credit to a producer who makes a beat as an “obligation,” not because they composed half of the song.

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    Why are Aretha and Elton John being mentioned? They are/were both songwriters, and they both have songs they have written by themselves.

    Whitney has writing credits on a few of her songs, but she hasn’t done enough to be considered a “songwriter.”

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    you have to give a credit to a producer who makes a beat as an “obligation,” not because they composed half of the song.

    You’re displaying a high level of ignorance on the matter. And what makes it worse is how you’re being dismissive.

    What I said is, a producer gets a songwriting credit even if they don’t contribute with any melody or lyric. Creating an instrumental for a song doesn’t give you songwriting credit unless the instrumental inspired lyrics or melodies, as in the songwriter wrote the lyrics and melody while listening to the instrumental first.

    An instrumental/beat doesn’t always determine the the composition of the song actually. An example of that is Old Town Road. When YoungKio did that beat, he didn’t compose OTR. He didn’t define the structure of the song. Intuitively, someone else would’ve made that intro a verse. Lil Nas X made it a chorus.

    Why did YoungKio get songwriting credit then? Because his beat inspired the lyrics and the melodies. They were written while listening to the beat.

    Lover on the other hand doesn’t give credit to the producer because he added some instrumentals after the song had already been fully written. Although the producer might’ve contributed to the composition of the song, he doesn’t get songwriting credit. He gets a production credit.

    Bottom line, composing =/= songwriting. You can contribute to composing a song and get a producer credit instead of a songwriting credit.

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    Composing IS a part of songwriting. It’s actually astounding that you’re calling me the ignorant one when you dismiss any part of songwriting that isn’t topline (lyric and melody).

    “Old Town Road” is a unique situation because YoungKio’s beat is derived from a Nine Inch Nails instrumental composition. His contributions to the composition of the song, if any, were likely extremely minimal, and he was likely credited as a songwriter as part of the negotiations for Lil Nas X being allowed to use his beat.

    Taylor Swift has sole credit on “Lover” because she wrote the topline and composed the rest of the song as well. If Jack Antonoff contributed in any way to the making of the song, even the chord progression, he would be entitled to a writing credit. It doesn’t matter if it’s not a lyric or melody.

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    I think you’re mixing up producing with composing. If you compose music, you are writing a song and you get songwriting credit. Composing = songwriting. Songwriting includes both writing lyrics and writing music (the melody, chords progression)

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    Oh really, so you’re telling me Taylor Swift also did the chord progression for Lover?

    I highly doubt that.

    I disagree with your interpretation. There are many instances when you can fully write a song and its melodies. And send the demo over to a producer who can contribute to the composition of the song by adding chord progression and such and still gets no songwriting credit, but production credit instead.

    Lover is an example of that. Take Me To Church is another example of that as well:

    “It caught the attention of independent label Rubyworks, who paired him with producer Rob Kirwan. The song was overdubbed with live instrumentation, but the original demo vocals remained, as Kirwan found them “powerful” enough to remain”

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    Oh really, so you’re telling me Taylor Swift also did the chord progression for Lover?

    I highly doubt that.

    Why?

    “It caught the attention of independent label Rubyworks, who paired him with producer Rob Kirwan. The song was overdubbed with live instrumentation, but the original demo vocals remained, as Kirwan found them “powerful” enough to remain”

    You’re thinking arrangement, which is not the same thing as composition

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    Songwriting is:

    -composing the melody

    -writing the lyrics

    Basically, songwriting is something that can be sung before the producer starts to add instruments/vocal layers to it and basically the song doesn’t change after the production is finished, it just sounds richer and better. If someone creates a beat, he is a usually credited as a songwriter because the beat inspired the song and the melody follows the beat. Now, can we stop? A very very little amount of singers have the talent to write the songs (by that i mean acclaimed hits) themselves.

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    You’re thinking arrangement, which is not the same thing as composition

    Instrumental Arrangement can be part of composition actually. The only way it can’t be, is if you’re taking the same arrangement and simply re-recording it with a different instrumental.

    In the case of Take Me To Church there were several instrumentals included with different chord progression.

    But anyway, you can believe what you want, not worth the time to debate this

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    Watch Taylor’s video documenting the creation of “Lover” the song. She clearly composed the song and the lyrics. It first started as a piano ballad but it still has the same melody as the final product. Jack just added the different instruments in production. He’s credited for Lover as a producer but not for writing the song.

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    Watch Taylor’s video documenting the creation of “Lover” the song. She clearly composed the song and the lyrics. It first started as a piano ballad but it still has the same melody as the final product. Jack just added the different instruments in production. He’s credited for Lover as a producer but not for writing the song.

    Yes which is what I was saying. He added instruments but got no songwriting credit because he did not contribute to the lyrics/melody nor were any of his instrumental arrangements used during the songwriting process.

    But anyway.

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