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    I’m struggling a little with how strong Natalie’s changes of a win are if she returns and makes the final three. With the addition of the fire tokens, the players on Edge of Extinction were a much bigger part of the game than in the previous EoE season. So unlike Chris two seasons ago, where it seemed like the EoE players were just suffering together and their great triumph was not quitting the game, Natalie has been on EoE destroying challenges and bartering with people in the main game. That and the fact that the jury have mostly had more of a front row seat to her awesomeness than a lot of what any of the remaining players were doing in the game could catapult her to a win. At this point I think the biggest flaw of the EoE system might be that all of the players get to be on the jury. If only the most recent six or so players got to serve on the jury, along with the eliminated players in the finale, it would balance things a lot more to include people who were mostly playing the game. People who didn’t make it to the merge might have never even interacted with players who end up in the finale. That feels problematic.

    I don’t really remember how Nick won his season either. I had a hard time placing him among the other players that season who were a lot more memorable (Mike, Angelina, Christian, Gabby, Davie, John, Dan, Alec). I remember being happy for him when he won, which was mostly because I liked him and he was the last remaining person from a group that was working together that I generally liked. I’m sure he had moves I don’t remember, and I’m sure he played better than he did this season.

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    I think that of the people on EOE i could see Nat, Rob , Tyson or Parv come back … I could any of them manevour there way to the end and win easily and i am HERE for it …

    Tony has played the best game of the five and if any of the five wanted to win he would have to be taken out .

    Denise and michele are next in terms of win ability .. Denise has a big move and michele has her incredible social game, cause while she hasnt been in on the vote thats alos a plus for her

    next is Sarah – she was in the drivers seat for a while and then come the merge she sat back and played to make the end , she stopped trying to win .. its prefectly summed up in her convo with Michele where she is unable to let her loyality to tony allow her to see the truth

    Last is ben – I dont know if there is any combo of people in the end where ben gets votes .. like i dont know how he gets any .. he has played a very underwhelming game from the start .. he was owned by BR , Controlled by Sophie , Sarah and Tony with ease and has let his personal feelings get in the way of strategy .. im frankly bummed he was ever on the season , he is one of my least fav winners of all time ( nick and adam ) and he has shown his win is not repeatable

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    ^^Ben was probably my second least favorite winner of all time, after Adam, whose win still baffles me. And both of them came into this season playing poorly, though Adam at least started taking some big swings.

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    Great end to the best season of Survivor ever. Tony deserved it and the fact that he never had one vote cast against him is truly extraordinary. He played a perfect game from beginning to end. It makes me forget about the awfulness of the last two seasons.

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    That was L O N G. Was that 3 hours without a reunion? Seems like this could’ve been 2 episodes: this week Nat comes back and 2 people are voted off. That includes 3 challenges and 2 tribals, more than enough for an episode. And then next week the final 4 becomes 3 and the winner is announced, with Tony having more than the 10 seconds they gave him to say whatever and maybe a couple of other people could’ve spoken too.

    Of course, they had A LOT of filler with the statements by the EoE people, then a clip, all the Jeff from his garage nonsense in the beginning.

    Very happy Tony won and that the other choice was Natalie. In the end, the best players of the season. Both very strong and also very lucky. Kinda sad for Michelle not getting any votes.

    I don’t think any of these people should ever come back. Specially the final 10 or so people (and Rob and Sandra). I know it’s for the winners storyline and the fact that many of them have played way too many times, but plenty of them and on occasion Jeff, sort of insinuated that nobody here will ever come back. And again, they shouldn’t. But a couple of them probably will.

    I also hope they get rid of EoE for good. Or any nonsense similar to it. Thankfully Sandra showed them how ridiculous it can become. Some people 100% wasted their time there.

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    would have had 100 percent accuracy but screwed up ben and dneise lol……eh still #1 on the leaderboard overall.

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    Wow what a great season !!! Totally deserving winner. That fire challenge btw Sarah and Tony was really powerful and emotional. That’s also where Natalie lost her game. She had no chance of winning no matter who came back btw Sarah and Tony. She should have sent Michele to fire and rolled the dice, maybe she could have split the votes.

    But damn Tony was great, really outplayed many of them. He played a perfect game.

    Ben was the same as Michele, both would have just been there at the end with no votes. Sophie looked she was about to pass out, must have been some terrible stomach flu bug or something.

    Yes, i also agree that it was a really long episode. They should have split the last episode and kinda had a mini reunion? Tony spoke for what 10 seconds ?? They should totally get rid of extinction aft this season cause although i liked how Nat played aft she came back i couldn’t find myself being happy with her winning.

     

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    ^^Ben was probably my second least favorite winner of all time, after Adam, whose win still baffles me. And both of them came into this season playing poorly, though Adam at least started taking some big swings.

    Yes, Ben (i will never forget the 100 idols he happened to find every time he was on the chopping block),  Adam and Nick were the 3 weakest winners. I must admit i was one of those people who thought Michele was undeserving of her win, but hell she proved that she can play with the best while those 3 were just kinda meh.

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    Yeah Michelle really did do a good job near the end.

    I forgot to mention Sarah’s speech and everything around it. And the Lacina thing that Jeff was very much against and clearly said “whatever” when he kept calling her Sarah over and over and again. As he should have. Fucking nonsense.

    I agreed with many true things Sarah said, but there was something fake, forced and convenient about the whole thing. Then Natalie decided to jump on this train and from then on, her moves were obvious as they clearly formed a women’s alliance in their heads without really saying it. She obviously goes after Ben instead of Denise or Sarah first, then she was obviously going after Tony by not sending Michelle to fire making hoping it would be 3 women in the final 3.

    Again, from Sarah, to Natalie, to Ben, to Adam saying whatever to someone in the jury, everything looked forced.

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    I loved this finale, and thought it was a great end to a great season. The editing of it was kind of smart in that all the filler stuff was up front, before you really had a chance to start feeling like this was all taking too long. The show really should have put the challenge to see who gets back in at the end of last week’s episode instead of that 15-minute recap, and then they could have easily fit all of the other action into this finale and still had some room to talk to some people at the end. If Nick Cannon is capable of hosting a semi-coherent After the Mask Zoom show every week, I think Jeff Probst can handle getting a half hour of commentary from this season’s contestants. I’d watch a separate episode that was just a reunion special if they did one. I would love to hear some of what the contestants had to say.

    Tony was a really deserving winner and played an excellent game. This is someone in whom I had absolutely no faith for the first half of this season, maybe longer. I didn’t think he’d be able to hold it together, but he excelled. When Tony was the only person who suspected that Natalie had an idol after her return, and Ben, Denise and Sarah were adamant she didn’t, I was baffled. She’d bought THREE advantages in the return challenge, and they didn’t think she might have bought an idol? That made it feel like these three were asleep in the van, which was fine because Tony had been driving them all along. I was also happy for Natalie getting back in. I wish she could have gotten more votes, but the idea that Tony had played this amazing game was essentially inarguable. Had Natalie taken out Tony in the fire challenge, I think that would have gotten her the win. Michele taking out Tony in the fire challenge would have probably done the same. Had Sarah won the fire challenge, I still think Natalie could have pulled it out. Sarah’s decision to vote out Ben felt to Sarah like it was her move, but could have easily played as Natalie’s move, where even with the whole thing being a ploy to find out about the idol, Sarah still ultimately let Natalie convince her to turn on her alliance for the sake of one-upping Tony, even though it didn’t benefit her at all. I was happy Michele got as far as she did, and even though she got no votes, I hope she feels good about her performance. I don’t think I was especially bothered by Michele’s initial win, other than feeling bad for Aubrey that she didn’t win.

    As for Sarah’s speech, I guess perceptions are different all over. A lot of it kind of surprised me in that I think there have been women throughout the game who’ve played deceitful, manipulative games who are beloved by the fanbase, but I guess it’s less expected and less accepted than from men. I often ask myself why there are some players whose lies seem totally fair and others whose lies and betrayals drive me batty. I don’t see it as a gender divide for me personally, but I’m sure it is for some people, and Sarah really seemed to be carrying that weight. Sarah was so clever in Game Changers, and even though she didn’t do everything I would have liked, I just thought of it as great gameplay. The last name thing was interesting I guess. Has Sarah always wanted to be called Lacina? My impression is that someone like Cochran gets to be a last name person because they ask to be, at the beginning of the game, not 35 days into their third go. It’s not like there’s never been a woman who went by last name either. Kelley Wentworth during game changers comes to mind (though I guess that was to distinguish her from Kelly Wigglesworth). Stephen Fishback posted that there had been only three female winners (Michele, Natalie, and Sarah) in the last 15 seasons, which feels really nuts, and there was some discussion on the thread about things like the fire challenge making the game more male-skewing. I don’t know if I’d necessarily agree about the fire challenge, but it seems like the overall effect has been making the game more male dominant. I’ve been trying to think of why that is.

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    Oh, I also agree that most (if not all) of these contestants should be done and should not play again. There should be a max limit of four seasons for anyone to play (which eliminates a lot of these people already), and a really special occasion (like Winners at War) should be required for anyone who did win to play again. The show needs at this point to do two or three years of all new player seasons before going back to return player seasons.

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    Yeah, I don’t get why the fire making challenge would be male-skewing when Michelle was making fire back to back to back while practicing and Sarah managed to make one of the biggest flames I’ve seen on this show. And she did it quickly. And let’s not pretend Natalie or Denise wouldn’t have done it either

    And the Lacina situation I assume is a cop thing. In that group of many men she gets called by her last name just like everybody else, but here she goes by Sarah. If that’s the case, it would still be stupid as I don’t recall anybody calling anybody Mariano, Apostol or Zohn here while the girl is called Sarah all the time.

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    You guys should watch this. Ponderosa of all the jury members sans Sandra. Shows us what could have been with some players..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQlY9pQsG_0

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