September 27, 2013 at 3:25 pm #303558
I wanted to start this thread to get the discussion going about Brothers & Sisters and what exactly happened to the show in terms of quality.
I, for one, thought the first season was fantastic, and deserved an Emmy nomination for Best Drama Series.
What happened to the rest of the show? At what point exactly did the show start losing that magic quality it hard in the first season?September 27, 2013 at 3:42 pm #303560
What happened to the rest of the show? At what point exactly did the show start losing that magic quality it hard in the first season?
Justin/Rebecca season 2
I enjoyed all five seasons, but yes the first season was by far the best in quality. I want to get the complete series on DVD, but for some reason there’s no boxset.
Brothers & Sisters definitely deserved at least one SAG ensemble nomination.
Nora Walker ftw.September 27, 2013 at 4:36 pm #303561
I thought that there was a change in the producers on the show at some point.
I thought that Brothers & Sisters was deserving of a Best Drama Series nomination for its first season. Definitely over Boston Legal.September 27, 2013 at 6:44 pm #303562
Yeah, season 1 was absolutely fantastic. I watched all 5 seasons, but the show really fell apart from season 2 on. Part of the reason was that it tried to expand the show beyond Calista and Sally and make it more of an ensemble show. Bad decision. And yeah, making Rebecca NOT a kid so they could have her and Justin hook up was a brutal decision.
It really conceded things when Rachel Griffiths’ character left her job and hooked up with Gilles. Talk about character assisination.
It even labotomized Calista’s character once she hooked up with Rob Lowe’s character. She started the show out as a liberal, strong, opinionated tv personality. She ended the series as a single mom trying to romance a young barista. Yeah. I can see why Calista peaced out on this show in season 5. Her departure basically lead to the cancellation of the series.
The show strayed so far from what it was in season 1. In season 1, it was a deep family drama headed by two amazing performances by Calista Flockhart and Sally Field. From season 2 on, it just became more of a shallow soap opera. It gave no good material to Sally Field. Calista still gave stunning performances in season 3 (when Robert had his heart attack), and the first half of season 4 when she had cancer. It’s ridiculous that Calista was never even nominated for her work.September 27, 2013 at 6:56 pm #303563
The show went down in quality around the end of season two. I always actually preferred the character of Sarah to Kitty, and the performances of Griffith to Flockhart. Field should have been kept the main focus of the show. The additions of Lowe and Marini were also detrimental to the overall quality. I watched every episode, but I was often disappointed of how they handled story lines, especially for its three core characters.September 27, 2013 at 7:19 pm #303564
It was a decent family-soap at its best, but I’m not sure it was worthy of a series nod even for its first season. The Wire, Friday Night Lights and The Shield all had amazing seasons that were snubbed that year. Battlestar Galactica, Dexter and The Closer were snubbed as well. Griffith gave my favorite performance on the series.September 27, 2013 at 7:31 pm #303565
That was actually a fantastic year for drama shows, so even if you take out Boston legal, it wouldn’t have been deserving. It too acting-driven, and the writing is standard soap. It was charming show, but it’s more of a fan-favorite kind of show, than Greatest on TV kind of show. In the sense that if you love it, it’s because you relate to the characetrs and enjoy spending time there. But it wasn’t truly breaking new ground, or doing something sophisticated or had any dramatic ambitions. It just wanted to be a cute melodrama. It could be effective in that aspect, but it wasn’t worth putting on a Drama Series line-up over shows that aim much higher and develop more complex worlds and characters.September 27, 2013 at 7:39 pm #303566
Part of it was also economics. Season 2 was hurt by the strike and then with ratings declining there was no way to sustain paying that much in the cast. When they retconned Rebecca though is absolutely the deal breaker point for a lot of people.
I really with Matthew Rhys and David Annable had received nominations for the later seasons and how Calista didn’t get in for Mistakes Were Made (Part 1) will forever mystify me. She was a freaking powerhouse in that one.September 27, 2013 at 7:57 pm #303567
Calista was best in show, but I’m not sure she needed a nomination for that. I wouldn’t have minded if she did though.
Rebecca not being a Walker was absolutely lame and unnecessary, not too mention have her hook with Annable afterwards only made things worse.September 27, 2013 at 8:56 pm #303568
I still love the first two seasons of this show, especially the first season. Those are some of my personal favorite episodes of television and I still enjoy watching them.
Sadly, the show did turn to shit after the second season. If I am not mistaken, they had a big change in writers/staff after the first season. I apologize for not knowing right now, but I beleive one of the series creators left after the first season. I think that was Greg Berlantti. At least to me, the show was never really the same after that.
I always admired the acting on the show. To me few cast were as great as the one they assembled for B&S. I just wish the writing could have lived up to it. The show transformed into a soapy, drama of the week, over-the-top craziness. I also feel many of the characters drastically changed who they were after the first couple of seasons.
I agree with the sentiment that adding Lowe and especially Marini were detrimental to the show. Sure Giles Marini might be good looking, but I did not believe Sarah’s character with him for a second. I did not mind Kitty with Robert at first, but eventually she changed so much she was nothing like the character she was in the pilot.
I never believed the whole Justin as a doctor thing either. Would it have been so bad to have him be a paremedic or a nurse? I never bought that storyline or the whole marriage to Rebecca.
Speaking of Rebecca, I did not mind her not being a Walker. What really killed me was when they introduced Luke Walker. To me there was no need for another illegitimate Walker Child. I think we all got the point that William Walker was not the greatest husband or father. And then to have him try and sabotage the family business and all that nonesense was just to much.
I also felt like they ran out of ideas for Holly Harper. By the end of the show it felt like they were shoe horning her into the main storyline. It probably would have been okay to write her out of the story around season four, as she outlived her usefullness around then. There are only so many contrived reasons to keep her around.
One more thing, all those questions about paternity just killed me. Especially at the end with Sarah. Did we really need William Walker not to be her father? Again, one story line to many.
My biggest regret with the show was Rachel Griffiths not winning an Emmy for season two. I thought she had a hell of a submission with “Domestic Issues”. I thought she had the strongest tape that year and should have won. It is a shame she lost in a case of name checking to Diane Wiest that year. I hope she can win an Emmy one of these years. That is one of my all time most dissapointing Emmy losses.
And despite all of it’s later flaws, I still truly enjoy and cherish the first two seasons of this show, especially the first one. Truly quality and entertaining television.September 27, 2013 at 9:37 pm #303569
Dave Annable should have been nominated for Supporting Actor at the Emmys in 2008. This would have made that category a hell of a fight.September 27, 2013 at 11:41 pm #303570
I also would like to know what happened to Brothers & Sisters. It was one of my favourite shows on TV for some time. The first season really was something, and probably deserved a series nomination at the Emmys. The cast were also deserving of a SAG ensemble nod on more than a few occasions. Sally Field was excellent in the series, and Calista Flockhart, Dave Annable, Rachel Griffiths and Matthew Rhys all dished up some superb work from season to season.
Jon Robin Baitz’s departure from the show after season 1 definitely had an impact on the quality of the subsequent seasons, but seasons two, three and four were still good quality TV drama. In saying that, the sale of the family business at the end of season 4 took away a lot
of the purpose of the series, and there were just far too many
biological storylines. The Rebecca plot was fine, but Ryan Lafferty in
season 3/4 was a shocker, and the Brody/Sarah story in season 5 totally
However season five is when the show really jumped ship. Losing Rob Lowe and Emily VanCamp (easily the two best non-Walker family cast members) hurt them pretty badly, and made Kitty and Justin very hard to write for. The memory loss storyline with Holly was a crying shame, I have no idea what compelled them to go down the track. Money, I presume. A cast that big would of come with a hefty price tag.September 28, 2013 at 2:24 am #303571
I also loved the first four seasons, but season 5 was a ship-wreck. They should’ve done a final 13-episode season 5, this way, they could have probably kept VanCamp and Lowe on board til the end.September 28, 2013 at 3:29 am #303572
Did it make top 10 in Outstanding Drama Series for the first season?September 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm #303573
When they unceremoniously fired Jon Robin Baitz and put in that Greg Berlanti, it was over and they never recovered. It went from a compelling/intense family drama that had social issues and great ensemble work to a toothless soap opera with still great ensemble work, but shit stories.
I think the first season should’ve got a drama series nod. Calista Flockhart was deserving too throughout the series run (that drop to supporting for her cancer storyline was nonsense, but we all know why those kind of things happens). And yes a SAG nomination should’ve happen. This cast was one of the best I have ever seen in my time of watching TV.
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