Home Forums Television Candice Bergen & Helen Hunt Emmy wins in the 90's

Candice Bergen & Helen Hunt Emmy wins in the 90's

CREATE A NEW TOPIC
CREATE A NEW POLL
Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 15 total)
Created
3 weeks ago
Last Reply
2 weeks ago
14
replies
584
views
10
users
dsps84
2
Marcus Snowde..
2
Icky
2
  • joesilver
    Participant
    Joined:
    Oct 1st, 2011
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598002

    During the 90’s the Lead Comedy Actress category was basically shared between these 2 women (8 of the 10 wins were for them).

    4 wins for Candice Bergen (and a previous win in 1989)
    4 wins for Helen Hunt
    1 win for Kirstie Alley
    1 win for Roseanne Barr

    Were all those wins really necessary? Didn’t any other women deserve to win this category in the 90’s that they had to give them all those awards or was it just lazy voting?

    For example this decade Julia Louis-Dreyfus has won 6 awards so far but the competition hasn’t been too big in this category compared to the Comedy Lead Actress contenders in the 90’s (with the exception of Amy Poehler for Parks and Recreation and maybe Lisa Kudrow the year of The Comeback’s return).

    However in the 90’s we had all these ladies that went empty handed, just to name a few:

    Patricia Richardson
    Ellen DeGeneres
    Cybill Shepherd
    Fran Drescher
    Jenna Elfman
    Calista Flockhart

    • This topic was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by  joesilver.
    • This topic was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by  joesilver.
    • This topic was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by  joesilver.
    Reply
    BenitoDelicias
    Participant
    Joined:
    Nov 3rd, 2010
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598071

    I think everybody in that group deserved to win their own Emmy. But I wouldn’t take away any of Hunt’s Emmys because they were extremely well deserved. All you have to do is WATCH the 4 submissions and UNDERSTAND and THINK about the fact that it was a tape system. So with that system in place, Fran Drescher and Ellen can’t compete for the win against her and I’m/was a huge Ellen/Nanny fan.

    Flockhart deserved her Emmy and she could’ve beaten Hunt, but the Emmys were very much set in their ways back then. A finale, a birth episode, that episode where Mable doesn’t stop crying (I think). It was too much for Flockhart. She was also single cam and hour long, sort of dramedy, there could’ve been some bias. It was still the 90s.

    Elfman, while excellent, could’ve been seen as too lightweight and in the shadow of Flockhart who debuted at the same time. She could’ve stolen a lot of her thunder.

    Sarah Jessica Parker also lost to Hunt, but nobody deserved an Emmy for that first season except for the theme song (if it was elegible/nominated).

    I haven’t seen Bergen’s submissions. And I never watched Home Improvement.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Emmyfan
    Participant
    Joined:
    Nov 26th, 2010
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598166

    I am going to add that Delta Burke from Designing Women was nominated in 1990 and 1991. Delta should have won in 1990 for her submission “They Shoot Fat Women, Don’t They?” When Candace won the Emmy, she said that Delta would probably be waiting in the parking lot for her.

    Even though Betty White won in 1986 for The Golden Girls, she was nominated in 1990, 1991 and 1992. Her submissions were not as strong as they were in the earlier seasons of The Golden Girls.

    The sad thing is that Bea Arthur and Rue McClanahan had submissions that would have given Candace Bergen a run for her money if they were nominated in 1990 and 1992. Rue could have submitted Sick & Tired and her scene in the kitchen after being up all night would have captured quite a few votes. Also, Rue had the episode called “Journey To The Center of Attention” in which she has that hilarious scene in which she is singing on the piano and turns out to be a bad singer and has some physical comedy.

    Bea Arthur could have submitted in 1992 if nominated “Goodbye Mr. Gordon” where she still has a crush on her high school teacher. Her scene during the talk show is hilarious.

    ReplyCopy URL
    dsps84
    Participant
    Joined:
    Jun 18th, 2012
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598209

    Except for possibly Flockhart, I don’t think any of those losers deserved to win. Nearly every episode of Murphy was an Emmy tape for Bergen.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
    Participant
    Joined:
    Nov 18th, 2012
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598536

    Except for possibly Flockhart, I don’t think any of those losers deserved to win. Nearly every episode of Murphy was an Emmy tape for Bergen.

    I don’t know. The first three Emmys that Bergen won were deserved, but not the last two. I think she just won the last two because the voters wanted to go with the safest choice.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Icky
    Participant
    Joined:
    Jun 28th, 2012
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598561

    Bergen and Hunt likely benefited from their shows being seen as “smart” and “sophisticated”. And they both were consistent submitters. Roseanne perhaps would have gotten more than one if she submitted better. Perhaps Julia Loius-Dreyfus could have done something had she started submitting lead halfway through Seinfeld’s run. Tisha Campbell (Martin) and/or a couple of the ladies from Living Single perhaps should have gotten in there for a few seasons. But that’s another discussion. The 90’s to me was more so the heyday for supporting comedies players rather than lead.

    ReplyCopy URL
    SHT L
    Participant
    Joined:
    Feb 7th, 2017
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598571

    I think Roseanne would have won more if she was a better actress. I have fond memories of the show, but when I rewatched them like a year or so ago out of boredome, I realized what a weak actress she was especially compared to Goodman, Metcalf, and Parsons among others. I think it sort of got worse as Roseanne got a much harder edge later on in the series.

    Nobody on the list in the OP is somebody I really think deserved an Emmy. Calista Flockhart maybe, but Ally McBeal is a character that isn’t for everybody.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Icky
    Participant
    Joined:
    Jun 28th, 2012
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598576

    Roseanne was generally good and usually had solid options. Only when the show took a turn for the worse post season 6 did her performance fall to pieces. She would have been worthy of winning for any of season 2-6 but typically chose blah episodes.

    ReplyCopy URL
    dsps84
    Participant
    Joined:
    Jun 18th, 2012
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598602

    Given her reputation, Roseanne should be lucky she got the one Emmy she did.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Andrew Carden
    Participant
    Joined:
    Jan 16th, 2016
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598604

    Bergen and Hunt consistently aced their submissions. Barr, for better or worse, always sent dramatic episodes and her losing in 1994 with the baity “The Driver’s Seat” was considered an upset.

    Burke was indeed the favorite in 1990, though Bergen’s submission was no slouch. Alley’s winning episode was gangbusters. Shepherd was actually the favorite in 1996, ditto DeGeneres in 1997, but Hunt’s expert selections ended up winning the day.

    THE OSCAR 100 (#30-26): Al Pacino, Edith Evans, Judy Garland, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton

    ReplyCopy URL
    vinny
    Participant
    Joined:
    May 20th, 2011
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598650

    If it were up to me it would have gone down like this:

    1989- Bergen*
    1990- Bergen*
    1991- Alley*
    1992- Betty White
    1993- Barr*
    1994- Helen Hunt
    1995- Bergen*
    1996- Fran Drescher
    1997- Patricia Richardson
    1998- Hunt*
    1999- Jenna Elfman

    Saying that, my second choice won the years that I disagree with.

    ReplyCopy URL
    tonorlo
    Participant
    Joined:
    Oct 4th, 2011
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598801

    Ditto to the previous comments that “Journey to the Center of Attention” and “Sick and Tired” would have made crackerjack submissions for McClanahan had she been nominated. (Arthur is seen to great advantage in the very same episodes herself.)

    If Bergen hadn’t taken herself out of the running by refusing to submit her name for the Emmy ballot, her streak may have well gone on past the wins she achieved. For one thing, “Murphy Brown” often featured the sort of hyper-articulate monologue-ing that usually translates to “Emmy magnet,” and the role fit Bergen like a glove. Aside from having unusually strong writing on her side, the fact that “Murphy Brown” was so driven by then-current events/issues made it appointment television for many back in the 90s, and Bergen was that much more highlighted.

    Hunt’s four wins do seem a little excessive in retrospect. “Mad About You” was never quite an Emmy darling outside of guest wins and Hunt’s own victories. Hunt’s first and third victories were well deserved (at the time, there was much made of the fact that that the episode where she and onscreen spouse Paul Reiser wait out a night of their baby’s crying, which became Hunt’s submission for her third win, was shot in one continuous take). But Hunt’s own birth episode (her second win), while professionally executed, really isn’t anything for the ages (Bergen frankly blows Hunt out of the water with her own birth episode on “Murphy Brown”).

    As far as the women who went home empty-handed in the 90s, it is a pretty depressing array of under-valued talent.

    Richardson was always very much the actor-in-residence on “Home Improvement,” and she contributed equal doses of spunk and gravitas over the course of the show. Oddly enough, she never seemed to get nominated in the years when she had particularly strong material. She probably came closest to a win in the sixth season of “Home Improvement,” where she had an excellent dramatic episode, “Taps,” in which she lost her father (I’m not sure if that was actually Richardson’s submitted episode, and if not, WHY not?). She had an especially good drama-and-comedy performance in the series’ final season, “Love’s Labors Lost,” that would have made a terrific submission had she only been nominated. But in the final analysis, “Home Improvement” was never a critics’ show, it certainly wasn’t seen in the industry as an “actors’ show,” and it was most certainly seen first and foremost as “The Tim Allen Show,” all of which definitely hurt Richardson’s Emmy chances.

    Shepherd was always a polarizing industry figure, a stain that only increased over the run of “Cybill,” although she did solid work throughout its run. (See: Shepherd in the era of “Moonlighting,” as well.)

    Elfman was a charmer in a show that was probably just too middle-of-the-road to gain serious traction with Emmy voters (it dropped from the Emmy radar after only three seasons, though Elfman managed a nom for each of those years).

    DeGeneres and Drescher were such unicorns at the time, and it does seem strange that neither of them managed to triumph during their respective eras as “flavors of the month.” DeGeneres has certainly gotten caught up as an Emmy darling in the years since, and “The Puppy Episode” remains a comic- and historic-landmark of the period (and which, incidentally, did win DeGeners an Emmy as a writer).

    ReplyCopy URL
    SHT L
    Participant
    Joined:
    Feb 7th, 2017
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598829

    Speaking of Cybil Shepherd being polarizing, I always found this funny even though I usually detest this show:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLRRx0147co

    I also remember the 2000 Emmys where Jenna Elfman and Thomas Gibson from Dharma & Greg were presenting the Supporting Actress in a comedy category and were joking that if they were already nominated then they already overstepped their bounds as a supporting actor by upstaging the lead and how leads don’t like it. Then Thomas Gibson said, “don’t believe me? Ask Christine Baranski.” Ouch to Cybil Shepherd.

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 2 days ago by  SHT L.
    ReplyCopy URL
    Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
    Participant
    Joined:
    Nov 18th, 2012
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598834

    @tonrolo Richarson submitted “Family Unties” when she was nominated for Season 6.

    ReplyCopy URL
    montana82
    Participant
    Joined:
    Sep 14th, 2011
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1202598843

    Honestly, besides Delta Burke in 1990 and Calista Flockhart in 1999 I’m not sure I would take away any of Bergen and Hunt’s wins. I think 4 for Bergen and 3 for Hunt were warranted considering the strength of their performances, shows, and submissions. Burke and Flockhart also had iconic roles in shows with strong support and strong submissions those 2 years.

    I’m not sure Patricia Richardson, Cybill Shepherd, Ellen, Fran Drescher, or Jenna Elfman were worthy of winning. The only shows still played today are The Nanny and Home Improvement which never had broad Emmy support. They were pretty good roles but not iconic. Ellen obviously won a writing Emmy and 20 + Daytime so she is good. Cybill was upstaged by Baranski and probably should have won for Moonlighting over one of the Cagney ladies one year.

    In a perfect world-

    1990- Delta Burke, Designing Women
    1991- Kirstie Alley, Cheers
    1992- Candice Bergen, Murphy Brown
    1993- Roseanne, Roseanne
    1994- Candice Bergen, Murphy Brown
    1995- Candice Bergen, Murphy Brown
    1996- Helen Hunt, Mad About You
    1997- Helen Hunt, Mad About You
    1998- Helen Hunt, Mad About You
    1999- Calista Flockhart, Ally McBeal

    Maybe I would give one more of Bergen’s Emmys to Cybill in 1995 or one more of Hunt’s to Drescher in either 96 or 97 but thats it.

    ReplyCopy URL
Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 15 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Similar Topics
bacagaga1 - Aug 15, 2018
Television
Enterta... - Aug 15, 2018
Television
Atypical - Aug 15, 2018
Television