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  • Riley
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    Damn, I only have 52/1 odds on Emma Thompson, although I see that you actually have 95/1 odds on Robin Weigert, so I have you slightly beat there. It is the only category with three predictions at 100/1 for both of us. Not even Critics’ Choice nominated Eliza Scanlen (or Cody Fern). My recommendation in response to your Phoebe Waller-Bridge one is Ricky Gervais.

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    Well, I have now finished the show. Episode 4 is very long but incredibly gripping, heart-wrenching, and devastating, yet ultimately hopeful. The final 15 minutes made me teary-eyed, they were incredibly well done. If people aren’t calling Jerome a standout after this episode, then I really don’t know. He might easily end up being my personal pick for Best Limited/ Movie Actor at the Gold Derby awards. Niecy Nash finally had some screen time, and she was absolutely incredible, but she belongs in supporting, not in lead. I fear she won’t make it into lead because she doesn’t have that much screen time, but she’d make it into supporting. Her character, and Jerome’s, had a subplot in this episode that I wasn’t expecting. It made my heart skip a beat and made my skin crawl – it really hit me. Vera Farmiga and Felicity Huffman reappear, albeit briefly, and Famke Janssen has some great scenes (she was in the first episode, too). In the end, the show is truly about the psychological horror one has to endure when falsely convicted, especially as a black person.

    Ultimately, this show was pretty darn incredible and I think it’ll win limited series if it’s widely seen, which I think it will be. As I’ve said before, I think the actors may have difficulties getting in – I no longer feel confident about Leguizamo and Williams. Like Nash, Jerome is a lead in the finale, but not in the show overall. The show’s style is probably not what you’re expecting, and their lens choice is quite different at times (similar to YOU and SABRINA). Ava DuVernay is certainly getting a directing nod; it’s more subtle than flashy direction though.

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    I’m soooo excited for this

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    AayaanUpadhyaya
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    Damn, I only have 52/1 odds on Emma Thompson, although I see that you actually have 95/1 odds on Robin Weigert, so I have you slightly beat there. It is the only category with three predictions at 100/1 for both of us. Not even Critics’ Choice nominated Eliza Scanlen (or Cody Fern). My recommendation in response to your Phoebe Waller-Bridge one is Ricky Gervais.

    Yeah I think I will put Ricky Gervais in. If he could get in for Derek, he can get in for After Life too.

    I just dont know if I should take out Cohen or Carrey.

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    leothescorpio
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    #1202906558

    Damn you, Slant! But the show still starts at 87 on Metacritic.

    https://www.metacritic.com/tv/when-they-see-us/season-1

    Even though Slant gave it a 2/4, they still raved Jerome. 100 from TV Guide.

    Also now the highest MC score among the Limited Series contenders

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    A week from today, it’s released, and I can’t wait!! This is one outstanding cast!!

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    The first half of this show is really powerful and important, with the second half not quite as resonant. Still, this was unputdownable. I was going to try to squeeze in just the first two episodes last night, but I ended up staying up until the wee small hours to watch almost the whole thing. I turned it off with ten minutes left because it was clear where things were headed by then. I was not familiar with the outcome of this case, so its harrowing and infuriating developments were really tense for me and I wanted resolution before I slept.

    The first two episodes kind of cover as much ground as The People v. O.J. Simpson did in ten, beginning with the crime and ending with the verdict. The two remaining episodes follow the Central Park Five after the trail, but with third episode covering four of them and the finale focused on the fifth, played by Jharell Jerome, who does not even appear in the third episode. This is where the show falls short. It makes sense to give more weight to the only of the five who was tried as an adult, but giving him as much time as the other four combined was overkill. The first episode is a tight sixty-three minutes, but the finale is eighty-seven and there are a lot of dream sequences. It is a strange criticism for a four-episode series, but things get pretty drawn out. To be fair, Ken Burns did cover this whole thing in a single documentary feature a few years ago, so it can be done.

    I added Jerome to my predictions after the unanimous raves that reviews gave him and was eyeing him for the win as our next Riz Ahmed, but I have just removed him from my predictions after all. The finale is indeed all about him, but this merely compensates how disproportionately the other episodes are not. The other boys get more focus in the opening arrest and trial episodes, then he is the only of the five to miss an entire episode. So he needs voters to watch the whole thing, which is risky for a brand new show that is dropping in its entirety on the very last day of eligibility. Also, the show portrays the character as a dunce, so it took me some time to get used to the performance and I found others more naturalistic. Plus his name recognition is so minimal that he does not even have a Wikipedia page.

    It should be clear by now that Escape at Dannemora was just a placeholder frontrunner, so if anyone is upsetting Ben Whishaw, it is Michael Kenneth Williams. John Leguizamo seems like an easy nomination. Aunjanue Ellis has a role of similar scale, so she would have been nominated with his name recognition. Vera Farmiga will get nominated as their only submitted supporting actress, but she has no chance of a win. I have no idea what Niecy Nash is doing in lead, so I have her snubbed. Like her on-screen son, her only tape option is the finale. Felicity Huffman’s character is pure evil. Reviews have been saying that Huffman and Farmiga disappear after the second episode and they do, except Huffman gets a scene late in the finale and Farmiga pops up in a flashback in the third.

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    Netflix really, really needs to push Nash back into supporting, because she’d be nominated, and the finale would be her submission.

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    Luca
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    honeys no matter how much u push this it is not winning chernobyl is a l o c k period

    I’ve seen both shows in their entirety and wouldn’t call Chernobyl a lock to win just yet. I fear that the story is too story-driven and not character-driven enough, but I do have it in #3 ATM.

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    The pettiness on display in The Hot Zone‘s credits also applies here, so I guess that it is becoming a thing. Here are the writing credits on the first episode:

    Teleplay by Ava DuVernay & Julian Breece and Robin Swicord

    Story by Ava DuVernay and Ava DuVernay & Julian Breece

    Created by Ava DuVernay

    So what is likely happening here is that DuVernay and Breece wrote the first episode together, then they handed off the script to Swicord for revisions. But DuVernay has also successfully argued that not only did she write the first episode with Breece, but she also had devised the basis for it earlier without him. Most impressive here is that she got sole creator credit from her half of the story credit, even though standard practice is that the story writers of the first episode get creator credit, regardless of whether they work in tandem. None of this is actually wrong and this is clearly DuVernay’s baby, but can you imagine filling out the paperwork and then presenting this case to the WGA?

    Other interesting credits:
    – Bradford Young is a co-producer. That will not get him the Emmy nomination in the series category, but I enjoy seeing people below-the-line get producer credit.
    – Robert De Niro and Oprah Winfrey are executive producers if you did not know. This could be the first competitive Primetime Emmy Award for both of them.
    – Instead of having cast credits in the order that they were in the press releases or having them alphabetical, the cast credits begin with the young versions of the Central Park Five in alphabetical order, then bill the older actors playing those same characters in alphabetical order, then bill everyone else in alphabetical order and ending with Michael Kenneth Williams receiving the “and” credit, consistent of sorts with how he was listed first in the press releases, so he was presumably at the top of the call sheet.
    – There are no opening credits sequences and the first three episodes end with standard end credits on solid black backgrounds, but the finale ends with an actual credits sequence that not only has credits for that episode, but all of them. It kind of seems like the whole miniseries was designed to be watched as one long movie with that at the end. It is not innovative enough to deserve a nomination, but I could see them submit that for title design.

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    I just watched the first 3 episodes, and I have to say it’s so fucking good. The first two episodes are just phenomenal and may end up in my list of TV episodes of the year.

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    Luca
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    I just watched the first 3 episodes, and I have to say it’s so fucking good. The first two episodes are just phenomenal and may end up in my list of TV episodes of the year.

    The ending of 2 is seriously stunning. The way that was shot and acted.

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    For some reason seeing how good Huffman is in this makes me even more mad at what she did. Hopefully she can rebuild her reputation because she is one of the best actresses we have.

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    This was the best thing I’ve watched this season. It’s such a disgrace that this has such a low IMDb score as Chernobyl is now the top ranked. The final episode was perfection, highly emotional. Out of all the true crime limited series this season, this one is easily the best.

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    What a devastating 6 hours of television. The last episode is probably the star of the 4 but they are all very good in their own way. I wouldn’t go as far to say it’s the best of the true crime genre. But it’s very good.

    It sincerely bothers me that people didn’t just call people idiots back in 1989 but when I actually think about it’s not a whole lot better today. Bitch is pointing at sky and screaming that it’s green and nobody tells her she’s a fucking idiot. Unfortunately, that’s a truthfully horrifying thing about life that this show really reflects. The performances are all great but the characters are just despicably stupid. The idea that any of those people involved are walking around free in society is an utter fucking crime against humanity.

    If they aren’t racist then they are somehow so stupid that it mimics racism. But there tends to be a lot of overlap on that Venn diagram and I really should stop giving people the benefit of the doubt. What they all suffered through, Korey Wise to a deeper extent, is really truly unforgivable.

    I hope a lot of people watch this and I hope it does well at the Emmys. I’ll need to update my predictions because of it.

    My only complaint was the show didn’t spend any time in the jury room. Maybe they didn’t want take away focus from the boys, which is fair. But that whole thing had to just be a gallery of idiots asking each other to smell their fingers based on the conclusions they came to.

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