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I just thought an interesting discussion today is the fact that everyone is praising the emmys for being really diverse when, looking at the acting nominations, I really don’t think they are. It is great that a large amount of African Americans are finally getting nominated but almost everyone being european or African American isn’t diverse.
Looking at the list of awards that will be handed out in the main ceremony (there are way too many to consider if looking at all of the awards handed out at the creative arts ceremony as well) as far as I can tell there are 78 actors nominated and only 2 (Ramy Youssef and Sandra Oh) are not either European or African American. Most glaringly, the American population is 17% Latin American (according to Wikipedia) and there is not a single Latin American acting nominee in any of the categories handed out on the main broadcast. Asian people are over 5% of American and Sandra Oh is the only person of Asian descent nominated among the 78. Someone correct me if any of this is wrong.
Yes, they have come a long way and we should applaud the fact that African American people are finally being nominated in large numbers but I just think it is important to realise that we really aren’t fully there yet and still have a way to go before these lists actually look like America.
ReplySigh I can barely bite my tongue anymore.
This pathetic industry (twitter, trades, pundits, woke actors) turning every damn awards show into a quota of REPRESENTATION! (OSCARS SO WHITE! NO FEMALE DIRECTORS! FIRST THIS! FIRST THAT!) has completely ruined awards shows. To obsessively identify a performer by their skin color or gender constantly renders the entire process meaningless. It also completely ignores this increased push and focus for “diversity” over performance led to horrific snubs all over the place that are indefensible when you consider some of the nominees that made it in (Kaitlyn Dever, Merrit Wever, Tom Phelphrey, Janet McTeer, Bob Odenkirk, Rhea Seahorn, Jonathan Banks, Elisabeth Moss, Ann Dowd, Yvonne S., Reese, Sarah Paulson, Rose Byrne, John Slattery, etc). And of course as the above posts shows, even with them going out of the way to include more persons of color…IT’S STILL NOT ENOUGH. And it won’t ever be.
But this is the new normal Hollywood has created for itself. So I will enjoy watching them get eaten by the beast they have created.
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Most of those people that ended up being snubbed were not affected by any “diversity quota.”
Most of the people of color that were nominated were already previous nominees & winners or actors who already had a ton of buzz surrounding their performances.
It’s crazy how your claws always come out when black people get all the attention for once. Just say you hate black people and keep it all the way moving.
ReplyCopy URL(Kaitlyn Dever, Merrit Wever, Tom Phelphrey, Janet McTeer, Bob Odenkirk, Rhea Seahorn, Jonathan Banks, Elisabeth Moss, Ann Dowd, Yvonne S., Reese, Sarah Paulson, Rose Byrne, John Slattery, etc).
First of all, seethe.
Then let’s dispell your stupid argument, shall we?
Dever and Wever were snubbed in favor of Haas and Spencer.
There are literally 6 white actors in Pelphrey’s category, why would you assume it is Esposito (a former nominee) or Wright (a former winner and never missed for this role) that cause his snub unless you have racist tendencies? If you wanna blame anyone blame Succession’s overperformance.
Bob Odenkirk has always been filler in this category and former winners Billy Porter and Sterling K. Brown didn’t get in “just cause they are black”.
Rhea Seehorn, the Emmys just don’t care about her.
Jonathan Banks, see Pelprey’s explanation.
Elisabeth Moss is extremely undeserving, considering she is becoming a one-trick pony. But even if we take personal taste aside, why would you think it is either Oh or Zendaya that caused her “snub”? She has missed several times for Mad Men and Top of the Lake’s second season.
Dowd and Strahovski, people are getting tired of THT’s actors it is as simple as that.
Reese Witherspoon was stupid enough to submit herself in the lead actress drama category twice, for very deserving performances, so she canceled herself out. The new rule change f*cked her up in the limited series actress category.
Paulson and Byrne were snubbed for Holland and Smart and Slattery had barely anything so a nomination was unwarranted in the first place.
ReplyCopy URLSigh I can barely bite my tongue anymore.
This pathetic industry (twitter, trades, pundits, woke actors) turning every damn awards show into a quota of REPRESENTATION! (OSCARS SO WHITE! NO FEMALE DIRECTORS! FIRST THIS! FIRST THAT!) has completely ruined awards shows. To obsessively identify a performer by their skin color or gender constantly renders the entire process meaningless. It also completely ignores this increased push and focus for “diversity” over performance led to horrific snubs all over the place that are indefensible when you consider some of the nominees that made it in (Kaitlyn Dever, Merrit Wever, Tom Phelphrey, Janet McTeer, Bob Odenkirk, Rhea Seahorn, Jonathan Banks, Elisabeth Moss, Ann Dowd, Yvonne S., Reese, Sarah Paulson, Rose Byrne, John Slattery, etc). And of course as the above posts shows, even with them going out of the way to include more persons of color…IT’S STILL NOT ENOUGH. And it won’t ever be.
Go back to the hole that will come your disgusting worm.
ReplyCopy URLHow do these posts prove your point? You named all white actors that got snubbed and tried to pull a weak argument by using the “diversity quota” to explain why they got snubbed, and posters called you out on it.
Forget the fact that someone like Tom Pelphrey doesn’t have much of a following outside of Daytime TV yet or that Succession overperformed in the acting categories, which is probably why he didn’t get in.
To sum it up, you’re a racist idiot.
ReplyCopy URLAll the responses prove my point exactly. That’s why no one even bothers with this stuff anymore.
To be clear, it’s valid for you to have a personal preference for a white performer over a POC, but you get into murky territory when you start claiming that ALL POC nominees must fall under the umbrella of politically motivated votes.
Were the white nominees from Unorthodox, The Morning Show, and Mrs. America not somewhat motivated by the politics of the #MeToo movement? It’s in the way that this generalization of being “political” only ever applies to POC performers that’s messy.
ReplyCopy URLFirst of all, seethe.
Then let’s dispell your stupid argument, shall we?
Dever and Wever were snubbed in favor of Haas and Spencer.
There are literally 6 white actors in Pelphrey’s category, why would you assume it is Esposito (a former nominee) or Wright (a former winner and never missed for this role) that cause his snub unless you have racist tendencies? If you wanna blame anyone blame Succession’s overperformance.
Bob Odenkirk has always been filler in this category and former winners Billy Porter and Sterling K. Brown didn’t get in “just cause they are black”.
Rhea Seehorn, the Emmys just don’t care about her.
Jonathan Banks, see Pelprey’s explanation.
Elisabeth Moss is extremely undeserving, considering she is becoming a one-trick pony. But even if we take personal taste aside, why would you think it is either Oh or Zendaya that caused her “snub”? She has missed several times for Mad Men and Top of the Lake’s second season.
Dowd and Strahovski, people are getting tired of THT’s actors it is as simple as that.
Reese Witherspoon was stupid enough to submit herself in the lead actress drama category twice, for very deserving performances, so she canceled herself out. The new rule change f*cked her up in the limited series actress category.
Paulson and Byrne were snubbed for Holland and Smart and Slattery had barely anything so a nomination was unwarranted in the first place.
• Weaver & Dever missed to Haas & Spencer — two more recently aired Netflix shows (ie recency bias) – Haas was in an organic breakout hit while Spencer elevated the material and (like Limited has always seen in the past) she’s a famous Oscar winner. Familiarity.
• Better Call Saul as always been a filler – see their ZERO Emmy wins. Banks, Odenkirk & Seehorn missing isn’t surprising.
• Byrne doesn’t have big “actor-y” scenes and given who got nominated, voters never made it to Paulson’s showcase episode. As for Slattery, did we not just spend the past 3 months bitching about how he fades into the furniture. Look at who were considered the surprises that got in over them, Martindale, Ullman, Taylor & McDermott.
ReplyCopy URLThis is not necessarily what this thread was supposed to be about, but if I can get on my soapbox here, I think that part of what is jarring people is that as the Emmys suddenly move toward equal opportunity, you would think that the quality of work being nominated would improve and that is not necessarily the case. It has historically been that mediocre performances by white actors were nominated at the expense of worthy ones by black actors. But now the Emmys have discovered a whole new set of mediocre performances to nominate (by black actors) and a whole new set of worthy performances to snub (by white actors).
The upside of course is that they are now also nominating worthy performances by black actors. If the Emmys only found space for worthy performances by black actors by booting mediocre performances by white actors, that would not be approaching equal opportunity. It would be closer to par for the course, in which black actors have to work much harder to overcome systemic obstacles to achieve things that white actors achieve effortlessly.
That the Emmys should be nominating better performances is a separate matter from how the Emmys should be nominating more diverse performances. It is like when they introduced the reverse-alphabetical ballot. This resulted in some better nominees, some worse ones and some that were not better or worse, so you kind of wondered what the point was, but we definitely saw more people from the end of the alphabet nominated.
ReplyCopy URLDowd and Strahovski, people are getting tired of THT’s actors it is as simple as that.
I agree with everything you say but there is no rational person who can explain Wiley getting nominated for THT over Strahovski and Dowd. As much as I love all the love for POC this year, this one nomination really is underserving.
ReplyCopy URLThe Samira Wiley nomination over her co-stars is indeed indefensible, but this is the show that won for Cherry Jones just last year. As I was saying above, embarrassing academy decisions that make a mockery of the process—it is not just white people that they favour anymore! The Giancarlo Esposito nomination also stands out to me, but trying to have some perspective here, is it more egregious than when Jonathan Banks would get name-checked over Michael McKean? Both Banks and Esposito should have won for Breaking Bad. Goodwill from that presumably carried Banks to several Better Call Saul nominations (that he would variably lose to ghosts or Peter Dinklage for the umpteenth time) and it is now carrying Esposito instead.
ReplyCopy URLThere is obviously a POC voting block within the academy. That is evident from not only the language of some of the tweets of POC actors on Twitter, but also from the nominations across the board these past few years. I know, because quite a few high profile actors have publicly stated that when it comes to Emmy voting, they vote black, first and foremost.
And that is a good thing. Because without it, Viola Davis would’ve been the only Actress white voters would check off. Or there would be zero POC representation in nominations.
Look at the Comedy categories this year. That’s a voting block making their voices heard.
That does not mean POC performances that are nominated aren’t worthy.
You are allowed to feel some type of way because of certain nominations. You don’t even have to agree with them. But please don’t sit there and pretend a nominee isn’t deserving. Taste is subjective, and “the best performance” and “a good performance” varies depending on who you ask.
Since Samira Wiley’s nomination is the pain in some people’s behinds, think of it this way: She got that nomination the same way Margo Martindale got her numerous name check nominations. And the various other white actors who grab nominations just for showing up.
Black entertainers have finally showed up.
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