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    AayaanUpadhyaya
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    Since Samira Wiley’s nomination is the pain in some people’s behinds, think of it this way: She got that nomination the same way Margo Martindale got her numerous name check nominations. And the various other white actors who grab nominations just for showing up.

    And I DESPISE those Martindale nominations and wins for Guest Actress. So I guess I’m allowed to despise this equally undeserving nomination for Wiley in Supporting Actress that could have gone to Erivo, Mcteer, Dowd, Yvonne, or Gugu Mgbatha-Raw.

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    And I DESPISE those Martindale nominations and wins for Guest Actress. So I guess I’m allowed to despise this equally undeserving nomination for Wiley in Supporting Actress that could have gone to Erivo, Mcteer, Dowd, Yvonne, or Gugu Mgbatha-Raw.

    YOU ARE ALLOWED. DESPISE IT ALL YOU WANT. YOU ARE FREE TO.

    As long as you see and regard Wiley’s nomination the same way y’all saw and regarded Martindale’s nominations. Name check, underserved, but oh well. I guess her name carries weight in this industry. And in my book, that is a f+cking good thing. Finally, we can expect a POC or two showing up on nomination morning JUST BECAUSE. For the heck of it. Because of their names.

    Equal playing field honey. Equal playing field. That’s all we ask for. If it’s going to take a group of POC voters voting POC throughout the ballot, I say: Vote on baby!

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    I agree with everything you say but there is no rational person who can explain Wiley getting nominated for THT over Strahovski and Dowd. As much as I love all the love for POC this year, this one nomination really is underserving.

    Well I haven’t seen THT’s 3rd season and frankly, I doubt voters have either. I assume it is probably more about ballot placement (Wiley is towards the very last). Though Strahovski was very lucky with being just above Streep, so I’d guess there is a lack of passion for her among the voters.

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    Sigh I can barely bite my tongue anymore.

    This pathetic industry (twitter, trades, pundits, woke actors) turning every damn awards show into a quota of REPRESENTATION! (OSCARS SO WHITE! NO FEMALE DIRECTORS! FIRST THIS! FIRST THAT!) has completely ruined awards shows. To obsessively identify a performer by their skin color or gender constantly renders the entire process meaningless. It also completely ignores this increased push and focus for “diversity” over performance led to horrific snubs all over the place that are indefensible when you consider some of the nominees that made it in (Kaitlyn Dever, Merrit Wever, Tom Phelphrey, Janet McTeer, Bob Odenkirk, Rhea Seahorn, Jonathan Banks, Elisabeth Moss, Ann Dowd, Yvonne S., Reese, Sarah Paulson, Rose Byrne, John Slattery, etc). And of course as the above posts shows, even with them going out of the way to include more persons of color…IT’S STILL NOT ENOUGH. And it won’t ever be.

    But this is the new normal Hollywood has created for itself. So I will enjoy watching them get eaten by the beast they have created.

    Every Emmy season, you come out of hiding to stir the same racist shit as the year before. Crawl back under the AW troll rock from whence you came. You’re not fooling anyone.

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    I know, because quite a few high profile actors have publicly stated that when it comes to Emmy voting, they vote black, first and foremost.

    This sort of rubs me the wrong way. Nobody wants a handout. You have a lot of deserving black actors being nominated (Regina King, Billy Porter, etc.) but their achievement feels trivialized because of voters like the one mentioned above.

    I reject the notion that white voters wouldn’t vote for black actors, I mean come on. Although maybe some actually are just racist so idk. Either way, as others have mentioned, white actors have won for undeserving performances before, so if Wright wins this year for example it’s just more of the same.

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    Yeah, it hurts none latin american actor was nominated (and so few were in consideration), especially when I shockingly discovered this year they are biggest ethnic minority in America.

    But kudos for the Emmy with all the black excellence love. So many of those actors EARNED their nominations (Zendaya, Yvonne Orji). It’s a special moment that I hope become a trend not a one time thing, even with some weird nominations (I’m talking about you Spencer and Wiley) I’m happy.

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    This thread…some of y’all need to check yourselves because the filth that I just read.

    And on the note of Wiley, we should’ve seen her coming and she makes more sense than THT’s series nom. She’s gone 3/3 now and she won against 3 other co-stars last time (two of them Emmy winners for this show) when Rigg was seen as a lock with her material and she got in before Yvonne for season 1. The Emmys clearly love her and she was always getting in, nothing about a “diversity quota” y’all seem to be harping on. As Sofan said: seethe because chile, the racism is popping out 💀.

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    Funny that you got both Mark Ruffalo and Octavia Spencer as lone nominees in shows with middling reviews in which they were by far the most acclaimed thing in, yet according to y’all Ruffalo got nominated because he elevated the material, while Spencer only coattailed the BLM movement…

    Obviously the political context influenced the nominations but y’all need to stop acting as if it’s a bad thing. White people will have other chances don’t worry.

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    Sigh I can barely bite my tongue anymore.

    This pathetic industry (twitter, trades, pundits, woke actors) turning every damn awards show into a quota of REPRESENTATION! (OSCARS SO WHITE! NO FEMALE DIRECTORS! FIRST THIS! FIRST THAT!) has completely ruined awards shows. To obsessively identify a performer by their skin color or gender constantly renders the entire process meaningless. It also completely ignores this increased push and focus for “diversity” over performance led to horrific snubs all over the place that are indefensible when you consider some of the nominees that made it in (Kaitlyn Dever, Merrit Wever, Tom Phelphrey, Janet McTeer, Bob Odenkirk, Rhea Seahorn, Jonathan Banks, Elisabeth Moss, Ann Dowd, Yvonne S., Reese, Sarah Paulson, Rose Byrne, John Slattery, etc). And of course as the above posts shows, even with them going out of the way to include more persons of color…IT’S STILL NOT ENOUGH. And it won’t ever be.

    But this is the new normal Hollywood has created for itself. So I will enjoy watching them get eaten by the beast they have created.

    Hate has no place here and we won’t put up with it. This is 2020 and I am sick and tired of people thinking that they can say whatever garbage they want to because of the first amendment. People like you are part of the racial problems that exist in the world.

    Maybe the actors that you mentioned were shut out because of other white actors that did not deserve to be nominated. If you cannot post anything without hatred and ignorance, then you should leave this site.

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    This thread…some of y’all need to check yourselves because the filth that I just read. And on the note of Wiley, we should’ve seen her coming and she makes more sense than THT’s series nom. She’s gone 3/3 now and she won against 3 other co-stars last time (two of them Emmy winners for this show) when Rigg was seen as a lock with her material and she got in before Yvonne for season 1. The Emmys clearly love her and she was always getting in, nothing about a “diversity quota” y’all seem to be harping on. As Sofan said: seethe because chile, the racism is popping out 💀.

    Funnily enough I did mention the possibility of Wiley getting in but people said there was no way she was getting in over Ann Dowd and I just listened to them.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    This is not necessarily what this thread was supposed to be about, but if I can get on my soapbox here, I think that part of what is jarring people is that as the Emmys suddenly move toward equal opportunity, you would think that the quality of work being nominated would improve and that is not necessarily the case. It has historically been that mediocre performances by white actors were nominated at the expense of worthy ones by black actors. But now the Emmys have discovered a whole new set of mediocre performances to nominate (by black actors) and a whole new set of worthy performances to snub (by white actors).

    The upside of course is that they are now also nominating worthy performances by black actors. If the Emmys only found space for worthy performances by black actors by booting mediocre performances by white actors, that would not be approaching equal opportunity. It would be closer to par for the course, in which black actors have to work much harder to overcome systemic obstacles to achieve things that white actors achieve effortlessly.

    That the Emmys should be nominating better performances is a separate matter from how the Emmys should be nominating more diverse performances. It is like when they introduced the reverse-alphabetical ballot. This resulted in some better nominees, some worse ones and some that were not better or worse, so you kind of wondered what the point was, but we definitely saw more people from the end of the alphabet nominated.

    This is pretty spot on and really well said.

    The only nominations I really have issues with are Wiley, Spencer, Uzo and Pope. But that’s more because of their actual performance and the contenders that missed out that were more worthy, imo.

    Hopefully now that the Emmy’s have opened their eyes a bit and started acknowledging more performances from black actors/actresses, they’ll do the same for asians, latinos, etc.

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    Uzo very much deserved her nomination but Byrne and Paulson should have gotten in as well.

    Margo Martindale had no business appearing in that category ahead of Byrne and Paulson (who I think missed out because like Mbatha-Raw voters hadn’t or still haven’t seen all of The Morning Show and Mrs. America).

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    This sort of rubs me the wrong way. Nobody wants a handout. You have a lot of deserving black actors being nominated (Regina King, Billy Porter, etc.) but their achievement feels trivialized because of voters like the one mentioned above.

    I reject the notion that white voters wouldn’t vote for black actors, I mean come on. Although maybe some actually are just racist so idk. Either way, as others have mentioned, white actors have won for undeserving performances before, so if Wright wins this year for example it’s just more of the same.

    But how is that even considered a handout? What is not clicking? Do y’all really think all these POC nominations that we have gotten these past 3 years would’ve happened without some underlying manoeuvering? Like seriously? The Oscars have been dragged to filth for years because of their inability to give POC actors nominations. And yet they keep on ignoring certain performances from POC actors.

    There is OBVIOUSLY a huge problem. And the problem is, the majority of voters who are white can’t seem to get themselves to watch and vote for POC films and performances.

    So yes. It has everything to do with white people not voting for POC actors. They are the biggest voting block in any Academy, TV or Film. What the reasons are and whether they are doing it purely because of clear-cut racism or just being unaware, is up for debate. You even saw it CLEARLY here on Gold Derby when people voted for the Gold Derby awards or making predictions for the Emmys. You had a lot of members comfortably stating they voted all white, and they can’t seem to find a spot for the lonesome POC actor. “My ballot looks too white”. “I didn’t predict any POC actors.”

    It’s hilarious that a black woman getting an Emmy nomination over her two white costars has turned into an all out controversy. She won an Emmy for this role before. She was nominated for the role before. They didn’t go drag her out of obscurity! Are Tracey Ullman and Shira Haas considered hand-outs? Because they got in over 4 very deserving white actresses. I don’t hear a peep about Ullman stealing a spot from those other two ladies.

    So no, her nomination is no handout. She did the work, she made a name for herself, and she got a nomination today because of that.

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    I’m not saying that any particular nomination this year was a handout. But the notion that some voters pull out their ballots and go down the list checking off black names as their first priority, rather than their favorite performances as their first priority, trivializes the deserving black nominees.

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