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    Glad that second season is different! And yes, I don’t like cousin Greg at all, he’s so nervous all the time and kinda weak/coward to my taste. Maybe I change my mind throughout the season…

    The characters aren’t what you’d call “gooody two shoes” in the second season. However I think it is a generalisation to say they are “evil” or “characters you love to hate” as they are more far more complex and nuanced. At times you’re rooting for them and at times you wish they were dead.

    I can understand why due to the SAG shut out that people are cautious about predicting Succession for acting nominations but I think it is a generalisation to say it is because of the types of characters they play. Especially considering Ann Dowd won an Emmy for playing a downright villain in s1 of THT over someone playing a Handmaid and James Gandolfini, Bryan Cranston, Jodie Comer and Jon Hamm have won over characters seen as more human or heroic for playing complex, sympathetic and nuanced anti-heroes/villains.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    The only character I feel bad for is Kendall and sometimes Tom.

    Not all the characters are sympathetic. I totally agree with that! But I disagree with the statement that none of them are sympathetic or that they’re downright villains (basically Tom and Kendall as you said and Gerri as Matheus said but Gerri is more of a sinister character that is just likeable).

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    Especially considering Ann Dowd won an Emmy for playing a downright villain in s1 of THT over someone playing a Handmaid and James Gandolfini, Bryan Cranston, Jodie Comer and Jon Hamm have won over characters seen as more human or heroic for playing complex, sympathetic and nuanced anti-heroes/villains.

    These are really poor comparisons. Yes, both characters are truly awful, but a) the actors benefitted from completely transforming (which the academy loves) and b) the audience has very easily empathized/sympathized with the latter. Not saying that isn’t the case with Succession’s characters, but I sense a huge difference between them and the two I highlighted.

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    The characters aren’t what you’d call “gooody two shoes” in the second season. However I think it is a generalisation to say they are “evil” or “characters you love to hate” as they are more far more complex and nuanced. At times you’re rooting for them and at times you wish they were dead.

    I can understand why due to the SAG shut out that people are cautious about predicting Succession for acting nominations but I think it is a generalisation to say it is because of the types of characters they play. Especially considering Ann Dowd won an Emmy for playing a downright villain in s1 of THT over someone playing a Handmaid and James Gandolfini, Bryan Cranston, Jodie Comer and Jon Hamm have won over characters seen as more human or heroic for playing complex, sympathetic and nuanced anti-heroes/villains.

    With all I’m reading here in GD I’m predicting 4 acting nominations (Cox, Culkin, Snook and Strong), with Cox winning.

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    The only character I feel bad for is Kendall and sometimes Tom.

    I feel bad for Kendall as well but I can’t say I like him. Tom didn’t even grow in this family so he’s not the product of an abusive environment but he can be very cruel and awful. I feel like if he had more power he would be downright monstrous just like Matthew said in an interview.

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    With all I’m reading here in GD I’m predicting 4 acting nominations (Cox, Culkin, Snook and Strong), with Cox winning.

    I’m actually predicting Cox, Snook, Strong, Jones and Walter (the fifth one is not because of her performance) with Cox winning. I am unsure whether I am going to predict both Culkin and MacFadyen or just one.

    I have it like this at the moment :

    1. Billy Crudup
    2. Tom Pelphrey
    3. Bradley Whitford
    4. David Harbour
    5. Josh O’Connor
    6. Jonathan Banks
    7. Mark Duplass
    8. Matthew MacFadyen


    9. Kieran Culkin
    10. Giancarlo Esposito
    11. Chris Sullivan
    12. Mandy Patinkin
    13. Joseph Fiennes

    IMO the last two slots are between Duplass, MacFadyen, Culkin, Esposito and Sullivan.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    These are really poor comparisons. Yes, both characters are truly awful, but a) the actors benefitted from completely transforming (which the academy loves) and b) the audience has very easily empathized/sympathized with the latter. Not saying that isn’t the case with Succession’s characters, but I sense a huge difference between them and the two I highlighted.

    James Gandolfini, Bryan Cranston, Jodie Comer and Jon Hamm have won over characters seen as more human or heroic for playing complex, sympathetic and nuanced anti-heroes/villains.

    As I said with Comer I don’t see how people are saying someone like Strong can’t get nominated and win like her when both characters are complex, sympathetic and nuanced anti-heroes in their own ways 🙂

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    The only character I feel bad for is Kendall and sometimes Tom.

    I can find moments of sympathy for all of them, but the only two who I consistently feel bad for are Kendall and Tom.

    Neither are good people, but despite all their connections and wealth, their lives still manage to look absolutely miserable.

    Greg is the most likable and good natured of the main characters, but despite being a punchline among the other characters, he still rarely gets it as bad as those two.

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    Glad I started Succession last night! Only got two episodes in, thought Kendall and Roman were gonna be the only characters I cared about. But then they both showed their weaknesses, and I found myself feeling bad for their crooked old coot of a dad.

    It was an interesting start. I’m definitely intrigued to keep watching – especially if it gets as good as people say.

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    Glad I started Succession last night! Only got two episodes in, thought Kendall and Roman were gonna be the only characters I cared about. But then they both showed their weaknesses, and I found myself feeling bad for their crooked old coot of a dad. It was an interesting start. I’m definitely intrigued to keep watching – especially if it gets as good as people say.

    It was interesting when I rewatched the show, Logan comes across as more vulnerable and sympathetic early on. Originally he was gonna he killed off at some point in the first season before the crew realized the character’s potential.

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    As discussed on a different thread I think we’re going to see one show this year explode in acting nominations and get random members of their ensemble in who are off the radar yet lose Series and a lot of acting awards à la The Handmaid’s Tale s2 and When They See Us. My bet is either on The Crown or The Morning Show although if Succession does end up exploding and getting people like Hiam Abbass in (which I would say is quite unlikely) then I wouldn’t be surprised if that becomes the show that fits the mould this year.

    It won’t be Ozark, Stranger Things or The Handmaid’s Tale.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    Apple is spending so much on The Morning Show, it seems desperate. As far as major ensemble shows go, I see acting nominations for the following:

    Better Call Saul – 2 (Odenkirk and Banks OR Seehorn)

    The Handmaid’s Tale – 2 (Moss and Strahovski OR Dowd)

    Big Little Lies – 3 (Kidman, Dern and Streep)

    The Crown – 3 (Colman, Carter and Menzies)

    The Morning Show – 3 (Aniston, Witherspoon, Crudup)

    Succession – 4 (Cox, Strong, Snook and Culkin)

    Ozark – 5 (Bateman, Linney, Garner, McTeer and Pelphrey)

     

    I do NOT see Stranger Things making the Emmy nomination cut in acting this year. It was an entertaining season, but I think people might ride too hard for the season finale.

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    I’m curious about the shows you are predicting for Supporting Actor’s potential 8 slots?

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    Two “Ozark” references are trending tonight. One by Deon Cole at the BET Awards and the other about the gun-slinging St. Louis couple.

    It’s astounding how quickly and completely that show has penetrated the pop culture zeitgeist.

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    Supp. Actor:

    1. Billy Crudup, The Morning Show
    2. Tom Pelphrey, Ozark
    3. Jonathan Banks, Better Call Saul
    4. Bradley Whitford, The Handmaid’s Tale
    5. Josh O’Conner, The Crown
    6. Kieran Culkin, Succession
    7. Giancarlo Esposito, Better Call Saul
    8. David Harbour, Stranger Things
    9. alt. Mark Duplass, The Morning Show
    10. alt. Chris Sullivan, This Is Us
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