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    That’s what I supremely dislike about TMS – among other things. They check the boxes with two black supporting characters, and both are used as window dressing for the show and only become relevant when the story has to take a shift. Sure, I have no doubt that the producer will have a greater role in Season Two, but there wasn’t real “justice” for her when it came to how Alex treated her — and even Alex’s apology was more about her pain and her guilt than anything or anyone else. I would love for Mbatha-Raw to get recognized, but they didn’t do her any favors with this character.

    the more I think about the treatment Gugu Mbatha-Raw’s character the angrier I get. The way that arc panned out and it’s effect on the other characters is honestly kinda disgusting.

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    ***SPOILERS***

    TMS was a complete mess. This show literally had Hannah as a background character with almost zero focus or character development for the first seven episodes until she needed to be the victim. And when that purpose was served, they unceremoniously killed her and just used her death as a device to further Alex’s character and storyline, someone who was culpable to a certain degree to what was going on. The entire storyline was manipulative and disgusting and dealt with this topic with zero nuance or sincerity. 

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    That’s what I supremely dislike about TMS – among other things. They check the boxes with two black supporting characters, and both are used as window dressing for the show and only become relevant when the story has to take a shift. Sure, I have no doubt that the producer will have a greater role in Season Two, but there wasn’t real “justice” for her when it came to how Alex treated her — and even Alex’s apology was more about her pain and her guilt than anything or anyone else. I would love for Mbatha-Raw to get recognized, but they didn’t do her any favors with this character.

    Yes because the problem with television right now is TMS having two black actresses as supporting ladies and not Succession not having any non white character. And please don’t talk about Abbas, I am talking about relevant characters and she barely has lines.

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    Kay
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    Yes. This is exactly what we should all be collectively dragging: The Morning Show!

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    Well, the fact that Ozark premiered exactly 3 years ago and Never Have I Ever premiered just 3 months ago may be a good indication of this difference, right? And Ozark is the exact type of show that the usual IMDB user watch, so..

    Yeah, sure. 40 million accounts, so at least 80 millions viewers and those are only the ones that watched the show legally. They reported the same numbers for the masterpiece movie Klaus that has 73 000 votes and Space Force that has 35 000 votes, yet, Never Have I Ever has the miserable 19 000 votes and the only explanation you all have is to blame IMDB voters…. Has any one of you actually watched that show? You sure never speak about it. No one can convince me that Ozark is less seen than Never have I ever, at least, not between people actively discussing pop culture.

    Not to drag the conversation down again but the misguided idea that transformation = good acting is exactly why we’ve gotten Oscar winners like Bohemian Rhapsody, Judy, and Darkest Hour as of late so while I can’t agree with the sentiment, many industry voters obviously do think that way.

    Waw, this is a stretch… I am speaking about TV roles and about Bryan Cranston, Claire Foy, Elisabeth Moss, Jon Hamm, Rami Malek, Tatiana Maslany… None of them looks or acts as their characters.

    Acting is a very nuanced and subtle process, if you are good you can transform completely without any make-up and mannerisms like the examples I just gave. I see this transformation only in Jeremy Strong among the Succession actors and I am allowed to have this opinion.

    Which show do you think will be more remembered in years to come, the first show about the black transgender and gay community, or yet another sci-fi show that tanked after only one season?

    Pose will be more remembered if people actually start to watch it, right now is a niche show, Westworld is worldwide phenomenon, a single youtube video about Westworld makes more views than the entire audience of Pose. And this is coming from the biggest hater of season 3 of Westworld here, I also consider both seasons of Pose to be better than season 1 of Westworld, but quality is not related to popularity, while popularity is related to the notion of being remembered by future generations. It seems that many of you cannot understand what it means to be popular in pop culture, not in niche communities like ours in Gold Derby.

    TMS was a complete mess. This show literally had Hannah as a background character with almost zero focus or character development for the first seven episodes until she needed to be the victim. And when that purpose was served, they unceremoniously killed her and just used her death as a device to further Alex’s character and storyline, someone who was culpable to a certain degree to what was going on. The entire storyline was manipulative and disgusting and dealt with this topic with zero nuance or sincerity.

    I agree in general, however, I think that it is meant to be disgusting, I think that TMS also portrays the characters actions and reactions to her death as egocentric, hypocritical and gross. It seems to me that many of you cannot understand that Alex is supposed to be extremely unlikable, she is a bad person that cares only about herself and her own interests, her ego is bigger than anything else in her life. She finally sees the bigger picture when Hannah dies, since death makes everything much more serious and emotional, but that final decision of hers do not deletes her years of compliance and selfishness. This is what I loved in the show, that did not feared to show us a very flawed humans.

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    So much of the conversation about representation here feels so insincere, and mainly about not liking a show or not wanting it to do well rather than genuine concern.

    For Your Consideration:

    Best International Feature: Instinct (The Netherlands)
    Best Actress: Carice van Houten (Instinct)

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    Westworld’s latest season was meh but it is popular and probably will be remembered for its ambitious storytelling by the masses. Just a hunch but I feel WW is a show that will fare better in the future.

    Pose is a niche show but it is groundbreaking in the representation of trans people and hence, has already cemented its place in history books but that’s no guarantee it’ll be remembered by the GP as those two are very different things.

    Pitting these two shows against each other is so random though lol.

    PS: The narrative that WW flopped after its first season couldn’t be more misguided btw.

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    Why is Pose even being compared to Westworld? The dumb. And I don’t know how this forum can argue that THT was a flop for losing during its second season but WW didn’t when it only got one relevant Emmy through both of its nominated seasons in the second year and then flopped at the guilds months later. Not to mention, it’s sunk in ratings this year and was dragged for seasons 2 and 3 hard and is about to be shut out with the exception of Thandie and some techs. The only thing WW doesn’t have going against it is the 20 noms it got for season 2 and ratings, but again, it flopped at the guilds and in wins at the Emmys with the exception of Thandie, people started dragging and dropping the show because of said season (see the premiere’s ratings for season 3). Love the show but it flopped, especially in expectations, and will probably be only remembered for its one universally-claimed good season.

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    First J. Smith Cameron, then whether Succession cast is playing themselves and now Westworld vs. Pose. We desperately need the nominations to be announced.

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    it flopped at the guilds and in wins at the Emmys with the exception of Thandie

    It won 4 Emmys in total that year including a major acting win. How is that a flop? Y’all really need to learn what a flop is. The reaches to prove your point.

    Pose S2 had nearly the same critical reception as WW S2 (go check MC or the RT avg scores), way worse performance at the guilds than WW, underperformed at the precursors compared to S1 and is likely going to do the same at the Emmys, and is not a big hit in ratings. But I’m not naive enough to call it a flop because I know there’s a difference in tanking and underperforming.

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    It won 4 Emmys in total that year including a major acting win. How is that a flop? Y’all really need to learn what a flop is. The reaches to prove your point. Pose S2 had nearly the same critical reception as WW S2 (go check MC or the RT avg scores), way worse performance at the guilds than WW, underperformed at the precursors compared to S1 and is likely going to do the same at the Emmys, and is not a big hit in ratings. But I’m not naive enough to call it a flop because I know there’s a difference in tanking and underperforming.

    It was beyond about to be a flop at the main ceremony again until Thandie and still can only ever consistently get techs. And again with this dumb Pose vs. Westworld when there is literally no comparison at all with them.

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    It was beyond about to be a flop at the main ceremony again until Thandie and still can only ever consistently get techs.

    Still better than literally 99.9% of the show’s out there competing. Literally how is that a flop? I’m seriously done now girl.

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    Lol at anyone who thinks Pose will be more remembered in years to come than Westworld.

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