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    Empire was a vehicle for Taraji and Taraji alone, evident by how she was the only acting member to be recognized by major award bodies and the show was largely resting on her shoulders. Her SAG snubs and eventual Emmy loss are clear indication that she didn’t have the industry support needed to carry Empire to a nomination. Empire’s situation is very similar to that of Pose, except that Porter was actually strong enough to get Pose nominated in series.

    The Morning Show had neither the advantage of being a critical hit nor of being a cultural phenomenon, and it does not rest on Aniston’s shoulders alone. It got four of its main cast nominated at the precursors and managed to have an unprecedented performance with the industry folks, despite bigger hurdles than most of its competition. A point has already been made about the difference in appeal of its content compared to that of Empire. As for that TCA nom, you can’t argue that TMS got in solely because of lack of competition when it got nominated over something like Euphoria, a drama nominee there or the Peabody award winning, Dickinson from the same streaming service. The critics had enough options to not nominate TMS, a show they trashed. The Flash and Jessica Jones mentions are random when both received very strong notices from critics despite the nature of their shows, especially the latter with its 81 on MC (very deserving as well!) and were big commercial successes on top of that.

    To me, Empire and TMS have had two very different trajectories so the comparison doesn’t hold much weight in the end.

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    Bombshell received the same criticism for glamourizing Megyn Kelly and Gretchen Carlson. https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a30443829/bombshell-racist-megyn-kelly-white-feminism/ I mean, educate yourself a little bit.

    The only people who seriously thought so we’re idiots who didn’t watch the movie. Both women were shown as very flawed people in the film proper, with Kelly being called out on her anorak actions several times throughout.

    Also, you don’t get to say “educate yourself” when you’re completely ignorant to the very real and much more vocal complaints about the Carell character.

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    Bombshell was criticized for how it dealt with Kelly as a character. I don’t know how that’s even debatable. Just because one didn’t have a problem with it doesn’t erase that. It’s not a matter of personal opinion lol.

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    Also, you don’t get to say “educate yourself” when you’re completely ignorant to the very real and much more vocal complaints about the Carell character

    Which are ridiculous considering he is very much represented as a villain when the season ends. The criticism on Gugu’s character are much more relevant.

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    Which are ridiculous considering he is very much represented as a villain when the season ends. The criticism on Gugu’s character are much more relevant.

    I realize that, but many people still believe they were walking a fine line in doing so. The reception to the character seems to speak for itself. Even before his villainy was made clear I heard plenty of people talking about how they hated him.

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    Spill. They hated because he was that bad, this leads us to his SAG nomination, a complete joke and the reason why TMS is not going to overperform at the Emmys. Then there is also Crudup, how on earth did this nothing performance win over Dinklage at the CC?… they are irrelevant anyways. Can’t believe people say he’s the frontrunner in that category when we have people like Pelphrey who acted circles around him.

    Others consider him a frontrunner due to the factual evidence we have of support and admiration for his performance.

    But I agree… Pelphrey should be winning this.

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    Just saw episode 8 of The Morning Show and if voters are going crazy for the show and see that episode I don’t see why they wouldn’t nominate Carell and Mbatha-Raw seeming that episode is basically dedicated to their characters. I mean I found Carell’s performance to be bad but don’t forget this is the same acting branch who nominated Kit Harrington last year. If the acting branch like a show and its performers they nominate them no matter the quality of performance (see Kelly Jenrette in 2018 or Harrington and Jones last year).

    I don’t see Mark Duplass getting a nomination (although I like his performance despite the lack of material he has). He kind of reminds me of Marin Hinkle last year as a performer in a show snubbed for ensemble at SAG who is overshadowed by their co-star and is weaker when it comes to a nomination.

    In terms of performance I’d rank the actors (personally) like this :

    Aniston
    Crudup

    Mbatha-Raw

     

    Short

     

    Witherspoon
    Duplass

    Carell

     

    Kaling

     

     

    Carbonell
    Powley (these two are worthy of nominations (for the Razzies))

    In terms of likelihood to happen at the Emmys :

    Under Performance – Aniston and Crudup
    Standard Performance – Aniston and Crudup
    Over performance – Aniston, Carell, Crudup, Mbatha-Raw, Short, Witherspoon
    Ultra Crazy Over performance – Aniston, Carell, Crudup, Duplass, Kaling, Mbatha-Raw, Short, Witherspoon

    Oscars FYC:
    "Shiva Baby" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "Together" – in all categories especially Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "CODA" – in all categories especially Supporting Actor (Troy Kotsur)
    "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" – Supporting Actor (Richard E. Grant), Supporting Actress (Sarah Lancashire)
    "I'm Your Man" – International Feature
    "Summer of Soul" – Documentary Feature

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    Just saw episode 8 of The Morning Show and if voters are going crazy for the show and see that episode I don’t see why they wouldn’t nominate Carell and Mbatha-Raw seeming that episode is basically dedicated to their characters. I mean I found Carell’s performance to be bad but don’t forget this is the same acting branch who nominated Kit Harrington last year. If the acting branch like a show and its performers they nominate them no matter the quality of performance (see Kelly Jenrette in 2018 or Harrington and Jones last year). I don’t see Mark Duplass getting a nomination (although I like his performance despite the lack of material he has). He kind of reminds me of Marin Hinkle last year as a performer in a show snubbed for ensemble at SAG who is overshadowed by their co-star and is weaker when it comes to a nomination.

    Mark Duplass… lack of material? Where? He could be competing in Lead tbh and I wouldn’t protest it.

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    Mark Duplass… lack of material? Where? He could be competing in Lead tbh and I wouldn’t protest it.

    I don’t know he just doesn’t seem to have as much to do as other characters in the show.

    I think he definitely belongs in supporting and I wouldn’t mind seeing him pop up there but I mean to me he has the same level of material as someone like Alan Ruck in Succession (they’re both good but not are overshadowed in quality and material by their co-stars).

    Oscars FYC:
    "Shiva Baby" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "Together" – in all categories especially Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "CODA" – in all categories especially Supporting Actor (Troy Kotsur)
    "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" – Supporting Actor (Richard E. Grant), Supporting Actress (Sarah Lancashire)
    "I'm Your Man" – International Feature
    "Summer of Soul" – Documentary Feature

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    I don’t know he just doesn’t seem to have as much to do as other characters in the show. I think he definitely belongs in supporting and I wouldn’t mind seeing him pop up there but I mean to me he has the same level of material as someone like Alan Ruck in Succession (they’re both good but not are overshadowed in quality and material by their co-stars).

    He seems to have way more to do than Crudup for one…

    Alan Ruck? Is you like a comedian… you gotta be kidding me!?

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    He seems to have way more to do than Crudup for one… Alan Ruck? Is you like a comedian… you gotta be kidding me!?

    They don’t give the same performance in quality but they both have the same level of material (of what I’ve seen so far).

    I disagree that he had more to do than Crudup but anyway this isn’t a fight LMAO.

    Oscars FYC:
    "Shiva Baby" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "Together" – in all categories especially Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "CODA" – in all categories especially Supporting Actor (Troy Kotsur)
    "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" – Supporting Actor (Richard E. Grant), Supporting Actress (Sarah Lancashire)
    "I'm Your Man" – International Feature
    "Summer of Soul" – Documentary Feature

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    They don’t give the same performance in quality but they both have the same level of material (of what I’ve seen so far). I disagree that he had more to do than Crudup but anyway this isn’t a fight LMAO.

    This is exactly what i’m referring to though… amount of material. I must have dementia because Duplass seemed to have a lot of material to me… A LOT. More than Crudup & more than Lead contender Carell. Not even Carbonell is comparable to Ruck… I-

    Desean K. Terry = Alan Ruck.

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    This is exactly what i’m referring to though… amount of material. I must have dementia because Duplass seemed to have a lot of material to me… A LOT. More than Crudup & more than Lead contender Carell. Not even Carbonell is comparable to Ruck… I- Desean K. Terry = Alan Ruck.

    So far he doesn’t seem to have much. I mean yes there is the story about him possibly taking the fall for the whole MeToo scandal but that’s it. He doesn’t have as much screen time or involvement with the story as Crudup, Witherspoon or Aniston do. I’ll give you Carell though and Mbatha-Raw in the earlier episodes.

    Oscars FYC:
    "Shiva Baby" – in all categories especially Picture, Adapted Screenplay, Score
    "Together" – in all categories especially Actress (Sharon Horgan), Actor (James McAvoy), Original Screenplay
    "CODA" – in all categories especially Supporting Actor (Troy Kotsur)
    "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" – Supporting Actor (Richard E. Grant), Supporting Actress (Sarah Lancashire)
    "I'm Your Man" – International Feature
    "Summer of Soul" – Documentary Feature

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