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    Your opinion on the show does not equate to its awards prospects, believe it or not. We all share opinions here but you seem to be backing up your claim that Ozark will do better at the Emmys by simply stating your opinion. The writing stat is telling.

    I also find it funny that you think it’s “made for awards” when it couldn’t be quieter, outside of maybe Lithgow in S1. Yeah, it’ll do great with crafts, but regarding the actual ceremony there is no screaming, no fits, no scenes shoe-horned it to be Emmy tapes. It’s literally a plot point in Season 3 that the Queen doesn’t cry. The acting and writing works hard for subtle, intelligent, emotional pay offs, which it doesn’t sound like you can appreciate. If you’d like to watch a show “made for awards”, might I suggest This is Us or The Handmaid’s Tale.

    EDIT: also, it’s funny that you think Crown is awards bait when your profile picture is from a Game of Thrones scene in which D+D were practically getting on their hands and knees begging for a directing Emmy. I mean the shot with Daenerys and the wings? Try-hards.

    Lol. Let’s be honest here. The prime reason why Netflix ordered The Crown was for awards. It has fine enough ratings but nothing that justifies its budget. And Netflix, unlike other networks, would have cancelled it if it wasn’t one of their biggest drama contenders. The reduction from 6 to 5 seasons already hint towards that, no matter what they claim.

    I also find it so funny that some people can’t defend their faves without attacking other people’s. So that’s that. As you said, Try-hards.

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    But in the last time it was eligible, in a more competitive Emmy, The Crown won Directing, Drama Actress and another 3 awards. In fact, won 8 awards for two season, against just two for Ozark.

    Yeah, that was like 2 or 3 years ago. The show had a lot more going for it then. Ozark winning directing and supporting actress last year beats The Crown winning directing and lead actress a couple years ago. Also, The Crown is always going to be nominated/win more awards than most shows just because of its crafts. I’m strictly assessing this year, where The Crown clearly has no buzz and Ozark is getting its best reviews and is about to drop when everyone is quarantined. It’ll be widely seen. I don’t see how The Crown could be ahead of it. And it’s not like I’m saying The Crown is missing or something, I’m just saying The Crown isn’t a threat to win series.

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    Btw, you couldn’t have picked a worse episode than that crying one to prove your point of it not being awards bait. The Queen in real life and in the show in S1 and 2 already disproves that the Queen can’t cry or is as emotionally distant as shown. Like it was done just to give Colman a tape. That single tear moment was as manipulative and awards bait as anything. It added nothing to the character or the story in the long run. I’m literally laughing if anyone thought there was anything genuine there. The reach.

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    If you’re struggling with season 2 than i don’t how you survived this far because season 1 is way slower than season 2. In fact season 2 is one of the best seasons I’ve seen from any show. Obviously it depends on whomever is watching the show but imo season 2 has some of the best tv episodes of recent years.

    Exactly. Just this needs to be said. Beryl was one of the Best Supporting Actress submissions ever. Foy deserved her win for Dear Mrs Kennedy. And those are only two episodes I’ve named because I can’t control myself.

    I love how this forum jumps from hating on Westworld to loving it, hating on the Handmaids Tale to loving it, loving Big Little Lies then hating it and now The Crown. The irony.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    Ozark winning directing and supporting actress last year beats The Crown winning directing and lead actress a couple years ago.

    No, it doesn’t. It’s the same as people arguing that THT’s series win in 2017 was more significant than GoT’s in 2016. The Crown won two major awards when it was last eligible and it was only two years ago. It’s not like it lost after winning. The Crown’s wins beat that of Ozark because it bested wildly more competitive shows. The stars couldn’t have aligned more for someone like Garner last year for example, whereas Foy was competing in one of the toughest categories Drama saw this decade.

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    I love how this forum jumps from hating on Westworld to loving it, hating on the Handmaids Tale to loving it, loving Big Little Lies then hating it and now The Crown. The irony.

    I couldn’t agree more. This is indeed ridiculous.

    Emmys FYC - "Unbelievable" and "The Handmaid's Tale" in all categories; Viola Davis in Best Drama Actress for the final season of "HTGAWM;" "Ozark:" Drama Series, Laura Linney (Best Actress) and Julia Garner (Best Supporting Actress)

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    I have yet to see Succession S2, but I hope it’s as spectacular as everyone’s made it out to be.

    IMO, it is inferior to the first two seasons of The Crown (yet to watch the third season) but among this year’s contenders it would be deserving as a winner. Way better than its debut season.

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    I know Ozark getting a Writing nomination seems unlikely but it did get a WGA nomination for Season 2 so you never know.

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    No, it doesn’t. It’s the same as people arguing that THT’s series win in 2017 was more significant than GoT’s in 2016. The Crown won two major awards when it was last eligible and it was only two years ago. It’s not like it lost after winning. The Crown’s wins beat that of Ozark because it bested wildly more competitive shows. The stars couldn’t have aligned more for someone like Garner last year for example, whereas Foy was competing in one of the toughest categories Drama saw this decade.

    Ozark literally beat GoT in its last season. Nobody predicted Bateman to win directing, if that’s not a significant win then I don’t know what is. And you’re just downplaying Garner’s win by saying that the stars aligned for her. Her performance is clearly loved, you don’t just win an Emmy, especially at her age and stature in the industry, if it’s not. She’s also been nominated at SAG. And Foy was always a strong possibility to win drama actress that year. From what I remember, Moss was the perceived front runner but was super vulnerable because THT didn’t perform as well as its first season. It was really between Foy and Russell and The Americans never did extremely well at the Emmy’s. It winning for Rhys and writing was already an over performance for its standards. I’d definitely say Ozark’s wins are more impressive because they weren’t expected.

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    Many people expected Garner. I seem to recall she was in first in the odds on here.

    Regardless of love for the show, the stars very clearly aligned that year for those wins. Sapochnik’s direction was acclaimed, but many people hated the episode anyway, and there wasn’t really a super strong runner up.

    And Garner clearly benefited from Game of Thrones’ actresses vote splitting and Shaw not having much passion.

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    Exactly. Just this needs to be said. Beryl was one of the Best Supporting Actress submissions ever. Foy deserved her win for Dear Mrs Kennedy. And those are only two episodes I’ve named because I can’t control myself. I love how this forum jumps from hating on Westworld to loving it, hating on the Handmaids Tale to loving it, loving Big Little Lies then hating it and now The Crown. The irony.

    IMO ‘Paterfamilias’ was by far the best episode of season 2, closely followed by ‘Beryl’ and ‘Dear Mrs. Kennedy’. Then you also had incredible episodes like ‘Lisbon’, ‘Marionettes’, ‘Vergangenheit’ and ‘Matrimonium’.  Both Claire Foy and Vanessa Kirby were phenomenal in season 2 and Vanessa should’ve won the Emmy as well.

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    Many people expected Garner. I seem to recall she was in first in the odds on here. Regardless of love for the show, the stars very clearly aligned that year for those wins. Sapochnik’s direction was acclaimed, but many people hated the episode anyway, and there wasn’t really a super strong runner up. And Garner clearly benefited from Game of Thrones’ actresses vote splitting and Shaw not having much passion.

    Garner would’ve won anyway it didn’t matter how many Game of Thrones actresses were nominated they didn’t care about anyone on the show except Peter Dinklage.

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    I feel from The Crown because it’s the only show in contention following an all-time great season of television. I was disappointed in this season (as I expressed in The Crown thread ) but even then it’s still a terrific show with so many excellent performances and the best written episode of the season (“Moondust”).

    Also, perhaps the biggest problem the show has is of course that Olivia Colman. I notice a good few people said it would be anticlimactic if The Crown won Series for this season but that feels both moot (because let’s be honest it aint happening) but also unfair when the series is still of higher quality than most of its competition. Why should it be punished for having been better in the past when Game of Thrones wasn’t? What we should be talking about is how disappointing it will be if Colman wins and the series doesn’t when her miscasting is essentially undermined the show more than anything.

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    I agree. Ozark sight unseen, what show this season besides Succession is

    a) of higher quality than the Crown
    b) competing for their best season

    THT, BLL, ST, and probably WW all miss both of those criteria. The other option is BCS, which very well may be having its best season and be better than The Crown S3, but few posters watch it so it’s underrepresented both here and at the Emmys.

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    Your opinion on the show does not equate to its awards prospects, believe it or not. We all share opinions here but you seem to be backing up your claim that Ozark will do better at the Emmys by simply stating your opinion. The writing stat is telling. I also find it funny that you think it’s “made for awards” when it couldn’t be quieter, outside of maybe Lithgow in S1. Yeah, it’ll do great with crafts, but regarding the actual ceremony there is no screaming, no fits, no scenes shoe-horned it to be Emmy tapes. It’s literally a plot point in Season 3 that the Queen doesn’t cry. The acting and writing works hard for subtle, intelligent, emotional pay offs, which it doesn’t sound like you can appreciate. If you’d like to watch a show “made for awards”, might I suggest This is Us or The Handmaid’s Tale. EDIT: also, it’s funny that you think Crown is awards bait when your profile picture is from a Game of Thrones scene in which D+D were practically getting on their hands and knees begging for a directing Emmy. I mean the shot with Daenerys and the wings? Try-hards.

    My opinion is irrelevant here and has always been. One user suggested that Ozark might be ahead of The Crown and listed his/ her reasons for saying so. I echoed his/ her sentiments by saying Ozark is better than The Crown anyways and deserves to be ahead just on quality alone… not that it actually is or anything like that. I know the forum posters hate Ozark anyways so I’m not surprised here that my comments are unpopular and subject to collective giggles, quotes and essays like yours. Of course the acting on The Crown isn’t flashy, but acting isn’t the only thing considered for awards.

    If you’re struggling with season 2 then i don’t how you survived this far because season 1 is way slower than season 2. In fact season 2 is one of the best seasons I’ve seen from any show. Obviously it depends on whomever is watching the show but imo season 2 has some of the best tv episodes of recent years.

    I really don’t hate The Crown. I actually like it. But I feel like it’s one of those shows you think you’re supposed to like but it really doesn’t inspire devotion. I’m not hell bent on getting to the next episode after finishing one. Season 2 is definitely better than season 1 but there’s nothing that makes me want to continue watching and watching until it’s over. I can stop now and watch the next episode five months later. Hence my saying that it’s quite “boring”. “Boring” and “bad” are not the same thing. For instance, another unpopular opinion, I liked Breaking Bad, most times I found it boring, but certainly not bad. I could get up in the middle of an episode and make coffee and not have to worry about rewinding it when I get back but can never do that with attention- grabbing and a bit fast- paced shows like Westworld, Game of Thrones, Succession and Stranger Things.

    But anyways, this is so unnecessary because both Ozark and The Crown are getting nominated anyways, no matter the odds.

     

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