May 23, 2020 at 8:58 am #1203496886
It would be one thing if Jason Bateman knocked it completely out the park during the episodes where he was kidnapped where that would have been his showcase, but his scenes came up a little short to me.May 23, 2020 at 9:02 am #1203496890
Better Call Saul just seems like old news at this point even if it just had its best season at least Succession, Ozark and The Crown are fresher and bigger contenders in general.
Yeah, but I can speak on behalf of the fans that the people who love it, truly love it. It might not have the most support in the industry, but it had undeniable passion.
Also, people claim it’s just filler and only getting in cause of Breaking Bad, but if that were true, it would’ve been dropped by now.May 23, 2020 at 10:11 am #1203497056
Better Call Saul isn’t in a better position than any previous year, but it’s impressive how well it has been doing at the Emmys, considering it’s a “sleeper show”. It’s been increasing its nominations over the years and it’s very likely to do it again this year, with a potential of over ten nominations.
I think it can very possibly score the following nominations: Series, Actor, Supporting Actor, Directing, Writing, Writing, Picture Editing, Picture Editing, Sound Mixing, Music Supervision. And potentially, Sound Editing, Guest Actor and Supporting Actor or Actress.May 23, 2020 at 10:34 am #1203497110
It would be one thing if Jason Bateman knocked it completely out the park during the episodes where he was kidnapped where that would have been his showcase, but his scenes came up a little short to me.
Marty is very tightly wound, and they did a kinda good job of establishing why he’s so closed off emotionally. It’s all boiling beneath the surface.
But I agree that I needed more from the portrayal when he got kidnapped, when he told Frank off about Ruth, etc. I think we saw a bit of what Bateman can do with the character at the end of their big therapy fight.
So yeah, it’ll be a bit shocking if he wins this year. However, with the pressure on to deliver for season four, maybe the next season will show Marty full-on emotionally snapping.May 23, 2020 at 11:16 am #1203497193
It sounds insane that I have Bob Odenkirk snubbed because he has always been nominated and he had a good season, but a strong season is sometimes not enough to reverse course. It is like how most of us have Viola Davis snubbed. The penultimate season of Homeland was a resurgent one (and I would even argue its second best) and Claire Danes had only been snubbed once, but she did not come back. Jim Carter’s best season on Downton Abbey was the final one, but they dropped him after four nominations. It was my favourite season for Michelle Dockey too, but they did not bring her back, despite only dropping her the year before. Michael C. Hall had been nominated for every season of Dexter since the first, but was dropped for the seventh season and like Homeland, I would say that that was its second best. Then you have people like Don Cheadle, Matt LeBlanc and Hugh Laurie where the final season was not necessarily their best, but Cheadle and LeBlanc had been nominated for all four prior seasons and Laurie was coming off of six nominations, the last five consecutive. How could they not hold on one last time for their final seasons? This actually applies right now for Silicon Valley. Christine Baranski! Sandra Oh had been nominated for all five prior seasons and Chandra Wilson was coming off of four consecutive nominations, yet they were both dropped for the sixth season, which ended with the hospital shooter double-episode that would have been Wilson’s tape.
This is the fifth season of Better Call Saul and it is six years old. It might be in a better or worse position than the above, but this is around the time when it is prone to be dropped randomly here or there and there might be nothing that they can do about it. The last season indeed got nine nominations, but it was snubbed in editing after being double-nominated for all prior seasons and its trajectory might have been masked by the historically weak field. The Handmaid’s Tale did after all get eleven nominations for three episodes that were not even eligible in five additional categories. We also did not get to see Better Call Saul compete at the guilds, so we could get blindsided by a drop-off in momentum like Veep. Veep! My god, that is another one! The finale was beloved and Julia Louis-Dreyfus was even coming off of cancer, so what the hell happened there on every level? It was not just the shutout in the end, but how it fell eight nominations.
Having said that, I am not saying that Bob Odenkirk does not stand a chance of winning if nominated. I like the Matthew Rhys example because not only was Rhys a passion pick, but that passion was also at odds with other love that the academy had displayed. One subset of voters seemed not to be watching the show and lazily just checking off Margo Martindale for nominations and wins, just like there seems to be voters who are just checking off Better Call Saul because they loved Breaking Bad. But there can be another subset who more honestly loves Odenkirk’s performance like Rhys.May 23, 2020 at 11:24 am #1203497214
Having said that, I am not saying that Bob Odenkirk does not stand a chance of winning if nominated. I like the Matthew Rhys example because not only was Rhys a passion pick, but that passion was also at odds with other love that the academy had displayed. One subset of voters seemed not to be watching the show and lazily just checking off Margo Martindale for nominations and wins, just like there seems to be voters who are just checking off Better Call Saul because they loved Breaking Bad. But there can be another subset who more honestly loves Odenkirk’s performance like Rhys.
Where were them last year?
But yes, I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s snubbed. It would be sad, though.May 23, 2020 at 11:28 am #1203497223
Fair argument, but I still struggle to see Odenkirk missing for what is possibly his show’s best season. Those other examples are more exceptions rather than the rule. I think he, Bateman, and Cox and Cox are the category’s licks this year.May 23, 2020 at 12:25 pm #1203497278
I honestly think Bateman would win Guest. He is just not win worthy on Ozark. But I can’t bring myself around Odenkirk winning for a season that isn’t the last. Also, this year I guess it’s safe to assume that it will break the first season-final season pattern?May 23, 2020 at 12:32 pm #1203497284
Yes, I’m certain that the first/last year pattern is ending. In terms of contenders the pattern applies to, Tobias Menzies has the best shot, and I’m while I love his performance and feel pretty confident about him getting nominated, I really don’t think he can pull off a win.
As for your Odenkirk comment, I feel like he will he hurt to some extent over this being the penultimate season. A lot of people have said they think he’ll win for his final year, and I think that line of thinking could cause some people to say “well he’ll get it for the final season” or “I’ll give him my vote for his last year” and choose another contender. Still, I’m not entirely counting him out.May 23, 2020 at 12:41 pm #1203497302
Not sure I understand the comparison between Rhys and Odenkirk. Rhys won after his show was recognized by the Academy and was helped by being in a final season and not having strong competition. He was competing with two pairs of co-stars and Bateman. Odenkirk doesn’t have anything going for him. He’s beloved, he’s great as ever, but it’s weird predicting a win based on vote-splitting of the frontrunners.May 23, 2020 at 12:57 pm #1203497335
As for Bateman, I first of all think that people are underrating his performance. He was excellent in the second season and if they were going to snub Richard Madden, he deserved his SAG win. But more importantly and forgive me for repeating himself in this long season, but right in the middle of two wins for highly-acclaimed performances by Jeffrey Tambor and two wins for highly-acclaimed performances by Bill Hader, they gave Lead Actor in a Comedy to Donald Glover. Nobody thinks that he had a winning tape that season and nobody remembers what he submitted, but they were recognizing his cumulative efforts as a hyphenate in spearheading his show. It can happen for Bateman and it kind of already has at SAG.May 23, 2020 at 1:29 pm #1203497354
I gotta agree with Riley here. It took me a while to come around to Bateman’s work – I kind of rooted against him last year – but I’ve found that his work is just incredibly subtle. I see him being someone who gets explosive material toward the end of the series once Marty can no longer hold it all in. You can see all the emotions piling up, but it might take a while until they actually burst.
Emmys FYC - "Unbelievable" and "The Handmaid's Tale" in all categories; Viola Davis in Best Drama Actress for the final season of "HTGAWM;" "Ozark:" Drama Series, Laura Linney (Best Actress) and Julia Garner (Best Supporting Actress)May 23, 2020 at 2:27 pm #1203497383
Christine Baranski! Sandra Oh had been nominated for all five prior seasons and Chandra Wilson was coming off of four consecutive nominations, yet they were both dropped for the sixth season, which ended with the hospital shooter double-episode that would have been Wilson’s tape.
I definitely thought that the episode of Grey’s Anatomy with the hospital shooter would have/should have been Chandra Wilson’s submission if she were nominated in 2010. That would have been her best submission. Also, 2010 was the same year that Cherry Jones was not submitted. If Chandra and Cherry were nominated, then I wonder if the winner would have been one of them for Supporting Actress in a Drama.May 23, 2020 at 2:28 pm #1203497385
While I get the Glover comparison, Bateman’s competition is way, way stronger than Glover’s. The only person who really stood in his way was Tambor, who had already been well rewarded by that point. Bateman’s biggest competitors (Cox, Strong, Odenkirk, Menzies) haven’t.May 23, 2020 at 2:43 pm #1203497413
Bateman is a very limited actor. I’ll never understand the acclaim. This is the first year he’s nomination worthy. But a win isn’t impossible whatsoever. He’s clearly beloved. However, I don’t see Ozark winning more than 2 acting Emmys, unless Pelphrey fails to win.
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