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    Can anyone explain what the old system and the new system are and why the new one is controversial?

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    Zooey the Dreamer
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    Prior to 2015, voters got tapes containing a single episode by every acting nominee (and with six episodes – in three couples for series). Voters based their choice on the episodes alone and it was evident from their choices over the years. Some people argued that this old system helped actors with good single episodes but prevented actors with great overall seasons but no standout episodes from winning. But in my opinion, it was a great system and it worked wonders in terms of helping actors from lesser known shows winning. Bryan Cranston’s first Emmy wouldn’t have happened – ever! – without the old system. And Dinklage wouldn’t have won the last two times under the old system. One more thing: Under the old system, actors voted in a limited number of categories (don’t remember the exact number). So a category was decided by a “panel” of let’s say 100 to 200 people (the number needs to be checked).

    Under the new system (since 2015), every actor can vote in every acting category and it’s obvious that nobody is watching the tapes. People vote based on buzz, momentum… many winners just feel random. This is a very brief overview.

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    Prior to 2015, voters got tapes containing a single episode by every acting nominee (and with six episodes – in three couples for series). Voters based their choice on the episodes alone and it was evident from their choices over the years. Some people argued that this old system helped actors with good single episodes but prevented actors with great overall seasons but no standout episodes from winning. But in my opinion, it was a great system and it worked wonders in terms of helping actors from lesser known shows winning. Bryan Cranston’s first Emmy wouldn’t have happened – ever! – without the old system. And Dinklage wouldn’t have won the last two times under the old system. One more thing: Under the old system, actors voted in a limited number of categories (don’t remember the exact number). So a category was decided by a “panel” of let’s say 100 to 200 people (the number needs to be checked).

    Under the new system (since 2015), every actor can vote in every acting category and it’s obvious that nobody is watching the tapes. People vote based on buzz, momentum… many winners just feel random. This is a very brief overview.

    Great explanation. Can someone also tell when plurality vote started and if all categories were preferential ballots before?

    FYC: Jonathan Pryce for The Two Popes

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    adamunc
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    I would love a system where acting nominees submit three episodes and each voter is randomly assigned one reel of the three, much like the series awards.

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    smellycat
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    Great explanation. Can someone also tell when plurality vote started and if all categories were preferential ballots before?

    What does this mean? Voting 1-6 like how Australians vote in elections, with lowest being kicked out until someone is left with 50% + 1?

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    smellycat
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    And why do some acting categories have more nominees than others?

    And aside from acting, is it like the Oscars where branches vote among themselves apart from Series where everyone votes?

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    Prior to 2015, voters got tapes containing a single episode by every acting nominee (and with six episodes – in three couples for series). Voters based their choice on the episodes alone and it was evident from their choices over the years. Some people argued that this old system helped actors with good single episodes but prevented actors with great overall seasons but no standout episodes from winning. But in my opinion, it was a great system and it worked wonders in terms of helping actors from lesser known shows winning. Bryan Cranston’s first Emmy wouldn’t have happened – ever! – without the old system. And Dinklage wouldn’t have won the last two times under the old system. One more thing: Under the old system, actors voted in a limited number of categories (don’t remember the exact number). So a category was decided by a “panel” of let’s say 100 to 200 people (the number needs to be checked). Under the new system (since 2015), every actor can vote in every acting category and it’s obvious that nobody is watching the tapes. People vote based on buzz, momentum… many winners just feel random. This is a very brief overview.

    Thanks. So it all depends on one tiny little, out of context tape? Which means you’ll see Goldberg style (love her monologue) scene hogging and writing towards that in the future? For writing and directing maybe, but acting can’t be isolated like that.

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    What does this mean? Voting 1-6 like how Australians vote in elections, with lowest being kicked out until someone is left with 50% + 1?

    Yes, this method. Some time ago I saw people discussing how this method was used at the Emmys (at least in the acting categories) but I can’t find now how much it lasted and which categories followed it

    FYC: Jonathan Pryce for The Two Popes

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    smellycat
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    Prior to 2015, voters got tapes containing a single episode by every acting nominee (and with six episodes – in three couples for series). Voters based their choice on the episodes alone and it was evident from their choices over the years. Some people argued that this old system helped actors with good single episodes but prevented actors with great overall seasons but no standout episodes from winning. But in my opinion, it was a great system and it worked wonders in terms of helping actors from lesser known shows winning. Bryan Cranston’s first Emmy wouldn’t have happened – ever! – without the old system. And Dinklage wouldn’t have won the last two times under the old system. One more thing: Under the old system, actors voted in a limited number of categories (don’t remember the exact number). So a category was decided by a “panel” of let’s say 100 to 200 people (the number needs to be checked). Under the new system (since 2015), every actor can vote in every acting category and it’s obvious that nobody is watching the tapes. People vote based on buzz, momentum… many winners just feel random. This is a very brief overview.

    I thought they still got tapes? Don’t all the actors submit a tape? I thought I saw the lists.

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    According to the rules, plurality voting replaced preferential voting in 2016, and the option to have score-based voting (i.e. each voter gives a score to each nominee, and the highest average wins) was removed in 2018. The only options now are either plurality, or the system used for areas (each voter gives a separate yes/no vote for each nominee, and the one with the most “yes” votes wins).

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