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    I still think we’re giving a lot of weight to those two wins, which benefited from vote-splitting in their categories.

    Yet Bateman still won over directors from Succession, Handmaid’s and Killing Eve. And the actors were never going for a GOT actor outside of Peter anyway, so I thibk Julia won this on her won merits — although I would have disagreed with that take last year.

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    Yet Bateman still won over directors from Succession, Handmaid’s and Killing Eve. And the actors were never going for a GOT actor outside of Peter anyway, so I thibk Julia won this on her won merits — although I would have disagreed with that take last year.

    It still doesn’t mean that Bateman had a significant lead over the other nominees. I did say that they benefited from the multiple Game of Thrones nominations, but if the show had single nominees, they would’ve won.

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    You could argue that vote splitting helped but at the end of the day they still won over other contenders so the support is there.

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    Because she’s not…. why would she win? Cause she has the performance? Tom Pelphry had the performance too and he got snubbed, so did Nicole Kidman and Viola Davis, who happen to be industry vets, A-listers, Emmy darlings and everything you want that guarantees a nomination these days, yet actors didn’t care when they filled their ballots. They won’t care that Linney represents all that when they’ll be voting for the winners. Aniston, Oh and Zendaya have narratives Linney doesn’t and the fact that she’s a 4X winner hurts more than it helps.

    If voters really cared about narratives Oh and Headey would have won last year

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    Narratives is why I am cautious about Catherine O’Hara and Eugene Levy winning and why I am cautious about Alan Arkin and Oh winning.

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    miss linney is not winning me thinks

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    miss linney is not winning me thinks

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    miss linney is not winning me thinks

    Neither is Zendaya.

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    Narratives is why I am cautious about Catherine O’Hara and Eugene Levy winning and why I am cautious about Alan Arkin and Oh winning.

    Catherine O’Hara narritive being a performance? I don’t see how she ties here. She’s not first because of some ‘narrative’.

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    It still doesn’t mean that Bateman had a significant lead over the other nominees. I did say that they benefited from the multiple Game of Thrones nominations, but if the show had single nominees, they would’ve won.

    In directing yes, but in acting definitely not.

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    Because she’s not…. why would she win? Cause she has the performance? Tom Pelphry had the performance too and he got snubbed, so did Nicole Kidman and Viola Davis, who happen to be industry vets, A-listers, Emmy darlings and everything you want that guarantees a nomination these days, yet actors didn’t care when they filled their ballots. They won’t care that Linney represents all that when they’ll be voting for the winners. Aniston, Oh and Zendaya have narratives Linney doesn’t and the fact that she’s a 4X winner hurts more than it helps.

    Past three years lead actresses won based on performances. Unless emmy decides  to prioritize blm in this category this year,  yes Linney is winning because she has the performance

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    Catherine O’Hara narritive being a performance? I don’t see how she ties here. She’s not first because of some ‘narrative’.

    Well many have used the example that voters will reward her because “it’s her time” or because she hasn’t won since the 80s for a writing credit. I’m not saying her and/or Levy aren’t winning but I’m saying we should be a bit cautious because narratives haven’t worked for anyone who’s name isn’t Jon Hamm recently (unless I’m mistaken).

    It’s the way Janet McTeer and Tom Pelphry were top5 in these 8-sloted categories, for me. Y’all underestimated voters for these nominations… that’s the last thing I’m gonna say…

    Or it could be that people just got a bit excited because we knew Emmy voters loved the shows. I mean people thought Jane Lynch and Emily Hampshire were in the top 5 of their categories and we’re still predicting Maisel and Schitt’s to be doing quite well in wins because we know actors have a history with both shows in terms of nominations and wins.

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    • Viola : narrative
    • Maslany : narrative
    • Moss : narrative
    • Foy : narrative
    • Comer : I guess she’s the exception but PWB heavily campaigned for her.

    Or it could be read as this :

    • Danes : broadly seen as the most deserving performance in her category that year
    • Margulies : broadly seen as the most deserving performance in her category that year
    • Davis : broadly seen as the most deserving performance in her category that year
    • Maslany : broadly seen as the most deserving performance in her category that year
    • Moss : broadly seen as the most deserving performance in her category that year
    • Foy : broadly seen as the most deserving performance in her category that year
    • Comer : broadly seen as the most deserving performance in her category that year

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    I buy the last-chance Foy narrative, but I think her win was more based on performance. The Crown had its fans, but she didn’t have the same “she HAS to win” buzz that absolutely dominated the conversations around Moss and Maslany. Sandra Oh had a much stronger narrative, so if voters were voting just with narratives in mind, she would have won easily. Sure, it being her last season couldn’t have necessarily hurt her, but I don’t think it was the driving reason behind her win.

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    Honestly you can make up a narrative for anyone, it doesn’t really matter.

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