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  • Rachel
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    This Is Us is taking advantage of the fact the HBO has done absolutely no campaigning for any of their shows, including Game of Thrones. However, if Emmy campaigning was like Game of Thrones, Phoebe Waller-Bridge would win that iron throne. She knows her main competition is JLD and she is not going down without a fight. However, more people should be talking about a potential upset by Natasha Lyonne. She’s extremely well-known and respected in the Hollywood industry and she’s campaigning just as hard as PWB.

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    Maybe people didn’t look too closely and thought he would be in the lead category? More likely is that the passion for Barry just vastly outweighed the passion for Fleabag and the three Barry nominees knocked him out, which is part of the reason I’m predicting Sarah Goldberg.

    Barry did a lot of Campaigning before the nominations (which may explain the number of nominations) but Fleabag has done a ton after the nominations came out… I actually put Sian Clifford in first. Sarah Goldberg would be in my top spot if someone would give her a damn platform (come on, Goldderby save the day). The new CEO of HBO SUCKS at campaigning. They haven’t done anything for their shows this Emmy Season. Bill Hader’s trying. He’s bringing D’Arcy Carden and Henry Winkler with him to David Spade’s show this upcoming week to promote Barry.

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    About Andrew Scott, I assume it’s because a lot of people who voted for Fleabag hadn’t even gotten to the 2nd season yet. I bet he would have been nominated if he was in the first season.

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    About Andrew Scott, I assume it’s because a lot of people who voted for Fleabag hadn’t even gotten to the 2nd season yet. I bet he would have been nominated if he was in the first season.

    The 2 guest nominations they got were for actresses who were only in the 2nd series. I think Fleabag is just seen as a female driven show and with them bloc voting the Barry guys, he may have just missed the cut.

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    The 2 guest nominations they got were for actresses who were only in the 2nd series. I think Fleabag is just seen as a female driven show and with them bloc voting the Barry guys, he may have just missed the cut.

    Yeah but it’s guest, less competition. I do think the female driven thing is probably a small part of it too, but that doesn’t make me question their love of Fleabag.

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    Variety today: “Celebrating Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Emmy’s Comedy Queen (Column)”.

    https://variety.com/2019/tv/awards/emmys-celebrating-julia-louis-dreyfus-veep-lead-comedy-actress-column-1203297204/

    “Louis-Dreyfus is up against some stellar competition, including last year’s winner, “The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel” star Rachel Brosnahan. “Dead to Me’s” Christina Applegate, and the legendary Catherine O’Hara (“Schitt’s Creek”). The category’s other two nominees also are also formidable: Phoebe Waller-Bridge (“Fleabag”) and Natasha Lyonne (“Russian Doll”), both of whom are also up for comedy writing on their respective shows.

    But who are we kidding? Those nominees may be amazing, but there’s only one Julia Louis-Dreyfus. This is the year she will become the bona fide record-holder for the most Emmys won by any performer in history — and it’s a feat that will likely remain for many years to come.“

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    About Andrew Scott, I assume it’s because a lot of people who voted for Fleabag hadn’t even gotten to the 2nd season yet. I bet he would have been nominated if he was in the first season.

    I don’t buy this. It’s such a short watch and the buzz for the series was entirely centered around the second season. So I don’t think many people watched the first season without watching the second season, especially considering Fleabag Season 1 got zero nominations.

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    Variety today: “Celebrating Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Emmy’s Comedy Queen (Column)”.

    https://variety.com/2019/tv/awards/emmys-celebrating-julia-louis-dreyfus-veep-lead-comedy-actress-column-1203297204/

    “Louis-Dreyfus is up against some stellar competition, including last year’s winner, “The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel” star Rachel Brosnahan. “Dead to Me’s” Christina Applegate, and the legendary Catherine O’Hara (“Schitt’s Creek”). The category’s other two nominees also are also formidable: Phoebe Waller-Bridge (“Fleabag”) and Natasha Lyonne (“Russian Doll”), both of whom are also up for comedy writing on their respective shows.

    But who are we kidding? Those nominees may be amazing, but there’s only one Julia Louis-Dreyfus. This is the year she will become the bona fide record-holder for the most Emmys won by any performer in history — and it’s a feat that will likely remain for many years to come.“

    IMO, the 90 guys and gals of the Hollywood Foreign Press should each be given a Congressional Medal of Honor for resisting propaganda like this for the last 7 years. They have shown true courage. Hopefully Variety and Vanity Fair are getting a good amount from Ms. Dreyfus.

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    "Here's a wonderfully b*tchy post from Montana82...." - Tom O'Neill Emmy Prediction Slugfest August 1st, 2019

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    Voters can now mark as many contenders as they want on their nominating ballots, so nominations are now more visibility-driven and less passion-driven.  What we have is almost a straight-ticket voting system.  This really manifests in the writing, directing and editing categories where voters have trouble differentiating the episodes.  Straight-ticket voting is less pronounced in the acting categories because they have faces on their ballots.  All that happened is that not enough voters saw Fleabag by the time of nominations.  It has nothing to do with a conspiracy about voters only wanting to nominate the actresses of Fleabag.

    Consider how the supporting actor and actress lineups differ.  Both Barry, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and arguably The Kominsky Method got all of their major contenders nominated, so each probably had peak popularity within the performers’ branch.  With there ultimately being six nominees in supporting actor and eight nominees in supporting actress, taking care of those three shows left only one slot in supporting actor, but five slots in supporting actress.  Seeing as the “last” slot in supporting actor went to Veep and Veep got its only real supporting actress contender nominated, Veep seems to be next in the hierarchy, so I bet that Matt Walsh was seventh.  Seeing as Fleabag got both of its supporting actresses nominated and Saturday Night Live only got one (and Fleabag got into lead actress over GLOW), I reckon that Fleabag was next in line after Veep for a supporting nomination, so Andrew Scott was eighth.  I bet that he appeared on a similar number of ballots as Sian Clifford and Olivia Colman; his category just had a different cutoff.

    His snub does not matter because Amazon released Fleabag in the last two months of voting, so visibility was going to be an issue.  When it comes to voting for the winners, visibility does not matter as much; passion rules the day, plus Fleabag will probably have closed any crucial gap in visibility because people will be bingeing it after buzz from its nominations.

    I love the example of The Handmaid’s Tale in editing.  Hulu premiered it in the last two months of eligibility, so it did not have the visibility to get an editing nomination for its first season with the editors’ branch taking care of Stranger ThingsBetter Call Saul and Westworld first, then running out of slots.  That same season that the editors’ branch snubbed then won ACE, then the show won the editing Emmy for its second season.  Seeing also as the first season of The Handmaid’s Tale won the series Emmy, there is a good chance that it would have won the editing Emmy if nominated, but it did not have the requisite visibility at the time of nominations voting to overcome the straight-ticket voting system.

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    I wish more people would start basing their opinions until after seeing all of the nominated Comedy Series nominees. As much as I enjoyed it, Fleabag is overrated. I LOVED the priest storyline but Barry season 2 was still better. I’m still trying to grasp the TCA’s explanation of exactly what was better with Fleabag over Barry besides popularity.

    Fleabag was better than Barry by a country mile.

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    Fleabag was better than Barry by a country mile.

    Seriously the technical craft and uniqueness of PWB’s writing alone is levels above anything in years. She evolved 4th wall breaking and turned it onto the audience. There’s a reason people have been gushing about it because it’s been a while since someone shook up the medium this much with just creativity in writing.

    Even Bill Hader thought “‘Fleabag’ was one of the best things I’ve seen in a long time.” https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/bill-hader-emmy-vote-fleabag-barry-1202158492/amp/

    And a lot of people have watched both Barry and Fleabag. And Maisel and Schitt’s Creek and the rest of the nominees that’s how they got nominated in such a crowded year…

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    Season 2 of Barry was great and better that the season 1 but the season 2 of Fleabag was perfect and deserved all recognition that is receiving.

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    Season 2 of Barry was great and better that the season 1 but the season 2 of Fleabag was perfect and deserved all recognition that is receiving.

    ABSOLUTLY! I said Fleabag was overrated last night and I swear I didn’t mean it. I was bit drunk from a work event and obviously wasn’t thinking clearly ;). I absolutely 100% adore and love Fleabag. I would compare season 2 like reading a great book or novel. You keep flipping the page and it keeps getting better. The one point I made that I will stand firmly by is that Barry and Fleabag had the best seasons out of the shows even though all were masterful. PWB and Bill Hader could do amazing things if they worked together.

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    Fleabag was better than Barry by a country mile.

    Okay, this is just not true. I loved Fleabag but it wasn’t better than Barry by “a country mile”. They are such different types of shows. I set myself for this kind of response by writing that last night and I accept people will have different opinions than me but I just don’t agree. PWB is a writing goddess and deserves all of this recognition but so does Barry. And to say Fleabag’s technical levels are better than Barry is just blasphemy. Fleabag deserves Series, Actress, and writing but Barry deserves directing. Fair and square. Bill Hader is good at pimping other people out. He doesn’t like all of the recognition for himself. He is extremely modest.

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