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  • Emma McPhee
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    So did game of thrones. Emilia has a very strong narrative this year and she seems very well loved as well. And didn’t you hinted at a GOT sweep next sunday (bar lena and harington)? what changed?

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    clearyk2012
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    Rofl @ the desperate attempts to defend the atrocity that was S8 from stans

    They are not desperate attempts at all. In fact, I find it incredibly easy to defend season 8’s amazing writing from very weak criticisms.

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    Ok, I watched her entire interview, and I literally have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. When asked to show her reaction, she looked horrified, which is a perfectly acceptable reaction when you’ve been playing the character for 10 years. I’m sure Richard Madden and Michelle Fairly had similar reactions. You want her to hate Dany’s ending as much as you do, so you’re clearly seeing things that aren’t there.

    Alright, we’re gonna gave to agree to disagree. That was not a face of horror. She was blatantly insulting the writing. If she was trying to convey horror, she wouldn’t have barfed. There’s nothing you can say to convince me otherwise, and it’s clear there’s nothing I can say to change your opinion that this season was perfect (it’s not). We’ll probably get a clearer picture of what the cast and crew really thought about these last few episodes awhile from now. Then they’ll be able to say whatever they want. And I can assure you, some of them will have nasty words to say about season 8. Maybe not all of them, but more than a few have barely hid their feelings on it. Anyway, I’m done talk about Thrones with you. All you’re gonna do is claim season 8 is a masterpiece again, and it’s getting repetitive.

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    I’m struggling to decide whether to place a superbet on Succession winning directing at 100/1, or go with a safer option.

    I think if you want to predict Succession anywhere, then it should be Writing. I have GoT in both Directing and Writing, but it’s more vulnerable in the latter category and Succession is seen first and foremost as a writer’s show.

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    clearyk2012
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    Alright, we’re gonna gave to agree to disagree. That was not a face of horror. She was blatantly insulting the writing. If she was trying to convey horror, she wouldn’t have barfed. There’s nothing you can say to convince me otherwise, and it’s clear there’s nothing I can say to change your opinion that this season was perfect (it’s not). We’ll probably get a clearer picture of what the cast and crew really thought about these last few episodes awhile from now. Then they’ll be able to say whatever they want. And I can assure you, some of them will have nasty words to say about season 8. Maybe not all of them, but more than a few have barely hid their feelings on it. Anyway, I’m done talk about Thrones with you. All you’re gonna do is claim season 8 is a masterpiece again, and it’s getting repetitive.

    I never once said season 8 was perfect. There were flaws, but they were few and far between and were completely overshadowed by the positives of the season, of which there was plenty. And Emilia Clarke’s face clearly showed signs of horror as she read about Dany’s fate, which is backed up by an interview she gave before the season even aired. I don’t know why you need Emilia Clarke to have hated the final season so badly. I wonder how many years will have to go by without the cast making a peep before you realize that not everyone hated the final season as you did. After all, GOT season 8 did win several of the Gold Derby Awards.

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    I never once said season 8 was perfect. There were flaws, but they were few and far between and were completely overshadowed by the positives of the season, of which there was plenty. And Emilia Clarke’s face clearly showed signs of horror as she read about Dany’s fate, which is backed up by an interview she gave before the season even aired. I don’t know why you need Emilia Clarke to have hated the final season so badly. I wonder how many years will have to go by without the cast making a peep before you realize that not everyone hated the final season as you did. After all, GOT season 8 did win several of the Gold Derby Awards.

    I don’t appreciate you making assumptions about me, so now I’m suitably pissed off to give you one reply. After this, I’d prefer to not talk about this show’s last season with you anymore. Not once did I say I need Emilia Clarke to hate season 8. But she clearly didn’t care for it. The only other person who’s done less to hide their displeasure with it was Conleth Hill (He tried to claim the media misrepresented his opinions, but we all know that’s a lie. Everyone saw him looking pissed off at the table read) and maybe Peter Dinklage. You claimed that I’m projecting my feelings onto Emilia, but it feels more like you’re the one doing so. You seem incapable of believing that any actor didn’t care for this year’s season. I’m perfectly fine with the actors liking season 8. I don’t need share the same opinion on a work as the people who made it. For instance, I adore the musicals of Stephen Sondheim. Even though he constantly critiques his own work, that doesn’t change my opinion that he’s a genius. And I’m aware not everyone hated the final season. But even you can’t deny that an enormous amount of people did. If you refuse to accept that fact, then you’re insane.

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    I wonder how many years will have to go by without the cast making a peep before you realize that not everyone hated the final season as you did. After all, GOT season 8 did win several of the Gold Derby Awards.

    It’s winning at places where it never won before like Saturn Awards, MTV TV awards, Online Film and Television Awards. It just was the biggest winner at Goldderby. These are voted by the people soo clearly there are people who love it. The industry is going to award it this Sunday. Even the TCA nominated it for their Program category.

    The season has a 60 on RT so it is far from critical derision. It is divisive and the sooner people accept this the less time we would spend on squabbling like kids. What satisfaction do these people get from screaming that no one likes it or that even the cast hates it? Are they so insecure that they need everyone to agree with them to validate their views on things? The same goes for those claiming that not loving S8 makes you a hater or not a true fan. Like or don’t like what you want but don’t shove it down other people’s throat.

    Over and out.

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    At the beginning of the awards season it seemed like the general consensus was that Jason Bateman was going to win for Lead Actor. Now the momentum seems to have shifted to Billy Porter. I haven’t seen Pose yet but can someone explain how he suddenly became the frontrunner? Right now I think it’s going to be between Odenkirk and Bateman but I don’t really know much about Porter’s performance.

    His performance is simply outstanding. He also had a lot of buzz this year for his red carpet appearances (such as the Oscars and the met gala) and his Emmy win speech would probably be iconic.

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    At the beginning of the awards season it seemed like the general consensus was that Jason Bateman was going to win for Lead Actor. Now the momentum seems to have shifted to Billy Porter. I haven’t seen Pose yet but can someone explain how he suddenly became the frontrunner? Right now I think it’s going to be between Odenkirk and Bateman but I don’t really know much about Porter’s performance.

    Bateman was seen as favorite due the Industry support of Ozark and of him particularly (he got double nominations for Directing and Acting, he won the SAG). But now he looks more like Kevin Spacey and House of Cards, he is good and he will always be nominated, he is strong enough to win with SAG since they adore Netflix and veterans, but he will never win the Emmy, because he is just good, he is not outstanding.

    The quality will prevail as almost always does at the Emmys acting categories, Porter is the best as a whole, has the best submission and deserves to win. Ventimiglia, Brown and Odenkirk will also be good winners and they have a chance to do so.

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    I’m pretty sure the fans cast the votes. I went on Variety and took one of their polls on who I want to win at the Emmys, and, talking of percentages, the numbers match.

    I am almost 100% it’s from the Vanity Fair, not Variety poll (I don’t think there is a Variety poll). I have posted a separate thread with links to the public polls and comparison of the different results. They are interesting mostly in the sheer disagreement (Shalhoub and Dinklage are the only two that match up on all accounts, and Shalhoub isn’t a cakewalk)

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    I don’t appreciate you making assumptions about me, so now I’m suitably pissed off to give you one reply. After this, I’d prefer to not talk about this show’s last season with you anymore. Not once did I say I need Emilia Clarke to hate season 8. But she clearly didn’t care for it. The only other person who’s done less to hide their displeasure with it was Conleth Hill (He tried to claim the media misrepresented his opinions, but we all know that’s a lie. Everyone saw him looking pissed off at the table read) and maybe Peter Dinklage. You claimed that I’m projecting my feelings onto Emilia, but it feels more like you’re the one doing so. You seem incapable of believing that any actor didn’t care for this year’s season. I’m perfectly fine with the actors liking season 8. I don’t need share the same opinion on a work as the people who made it. For instance, I adore the musicals of Stephen Sondheim. Even though he constantly critiques his own work, that doesn’t change my opinion that he’s a genius. And I’m aware not everyone hated the final season. But even you can’t deny that an enormous amount of people did. If you refuse to accept that fact, then you’re insane.

    I’m not making assumptions, that’s exactly what you’re doing. You’re trying very hard to read double meanings in their facial expressions instead of listening to their actual words. The show is over. They are not employed by HBO anymore. Why would they lie? I also find it odd that you take offense when you say I was making assumptions, when I wasn’t, whereas you were making assumptions about me by saying I thought season 8 was perfect, when I said no such thing.

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    clearyk2012
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    I am almost 100% it’s from the Vanity Fair, not Variety poll (I don’t think there is a Variety poll). I have posted a separate thread with links to the public polls and comparison of the different results. They are interesting mostly in the sheer disagreement (Shalhoub and Dinklage are the only two that match up on all accounts, and Shalhoub isn’t a cakewalk)

    You’re right. It was Vanity Fair.

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    Ivo Stoyanov
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    whereas you were making assumptions about me by saying I thought season 8 was perfect, when I said no such thing.

    You sure act like it was. You are denying obvious facts. The writing is terrible, the entire season was a huge mess and this is what most people think, so “divisive” is not an appropriate word. There are thousands of proofs, millions of people have officially showed their disappointment with the season. The IMDB scores. The RT and MC scores. Yeah, of course critics and many fans acknowledge the technical achievements like production design and the visual effects, the acting, part of the directing and the cinematography, but the writing… The meeting in which they chose Bran as the new King is officially the worst written scene in any prestige Drama ever.

    However, I agree with you about Clarke, she is very joyful and expressive person in real life, very goofy, I am not sure about her opinion, but Carice van Houten clearly showed in that interview her disappointment, she did not wanted to praise the ending, this is why she tried to circle around it, many other actros did that as well.

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    clearyk2012
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    You sure act like it was. You are denying obvious facts. The writing is terrible, the entire season was a huge mess and this is what most people think, so “divisive” is not an appropriate word. There are thousands of proofs, millions of people have officially showed their disappointment with the season. The IMDB scores. The RT and MC scores. Yeah, of course critics and many fans acknowledge the technical achievements like production design and the visual effects, the acting, part of the directing and the cinematography, but the writing… The meeting in which they chose Bran as the new King is officially the worst written scene in any prestige Drama ever. However, I agree with you about Clarke, she is very joyful and expressive person in real life, very goofy, I am not sure about her opinion, but Carice van Houten clearly showed in that interview her disappointment, she did not wanted to praise the ending, this is why she tried to circle around it, many other actros did that as well.

    Except nothing you said was an obvious fact. That may be your opinion on the subject, but that’s not the same thing. I’ve seen every criticism thrown at the final season, every single one, and it amazes me how easy it is for me to counter them. Personally, I thought the criticisms aimed at season 7 were much better. Sure, the season was divisive, but it was always going to be. We’re talking about the biggest show on television. It was never going to please everyone. Martin is running into the same trouble with his books. And to be honest, Bran becoming king was my only criticism of the final season, but the scene itself wasn’t badly written, it just wasn’t set up enough.

    The moment you try to decipher the meaning behind the actors’ words, you are doomed to failure. You don’t know what’s going on in their heads, so don’t pretend like you do.

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