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  • Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
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    I’m really stuck between Jharrel Jerome and Jared Harris…uggggh.

    Same here. I may end up predicting Harris because he’s (in my opinion, anyway) the safest choice in the category.

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    Same here. I may end up predicting because he’s (in my opinion, anyway) the safest choice in the category.

    I was going to go with Harris but Jharrel Jerome was so fantastic in his submission scene. You feel so much sympathy for him.  And so now I’m stuck.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN0eUKLiI80

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    kellis
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    I’m really stuck between Jharrel Jerome and Jared Harris…uggggh.

    “No user starts this shady” - someone culturally relevant.

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    Rachel
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    I just wanted to hug him in that clip!! 🙁

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    The Creative Arts made limited series much harder. I went into the Creative Arts thinking that When They See Us would only win casting and I had Chernobyl down for four. Chernobyl of course won seven, even beating Game of Thrones out of nowhere, while When They See Us won the bare minimum to remain competitive. The craftspeople are all in for Chernobyl, so When They See Us now needs the above-the-line people to be all in for it. We see this kind of split at the Oscars (The Revenant versus Spotlight, Roma versus Green Book), but the Oscars use a preferential ballot. When something sweeps the technical categories at BAFTA, that colder contender picks up the top prize too, as simple math suggests. Anyway, I will keep When They See Us in series, but I am less sure about writing. I had been thinking all season that voters would not be able to differentiate the categories, then Nanette lost special. The phenomenon that it was, most voters were apparently okay with not voting for it at all, while the writers had their good sense intact. Chernobyl will have the British bloc in its corner to some extent, plus the branch has done a remarkable job of differentiating itself in this particular category lately. I realize of course that this is the conclusion that everyone else reached months ago.

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    Rachel
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    I’m keeping When They See Us for writing but switched to Chernobyl for directing.

    Is there any chance of Chernobyl and WTSU vote-splitting in a couple of categories?

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    Dennis El Mar
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    Is there any chance of Chernobyl and WTSU vote-splitting in a couple of categories?

    Writing, Actor, and Supporting Actor could end up being really close but it’s hard to tell at this point

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    I can honestly say that I will be really upset if they deny Jerome this Emmy. And I honestly don’t think they will! It’s THE performance of that show.

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    I can honestly say that I will be really upset if they deny Jerome this Emmy. And I honestly don’t think they will! It’s THE performance of that show.

    The likeliest acting win for WTSU will be Jharrel Jerome and I also think that it will happen.

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    Rachel
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    Michael K. Williams is also pretty damn amazing.

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    Providence is the standout of the season for sure, but even if you just go on MC most critics are calling the show’s writing out for relying on conventional biography tropes and never rising to the greatness of the performances. It bodes well for Williams to win but it’s not the type of show that I see getting support in the writing branch. But to each their own, I agree that it’s still a fairly well written episode.

    Imo I think that WTSU’s writing for Part 4 is incredibly underrated on here, Chernobyl still takes it for me personally but DuVernay really pulled a hat trick in being able to fit Korey’s story into just one episode while creating a naturally emotionally impactful character arc.

    I agree with everything you said, but that did not bother me in F/V, it covers so much in only 8 episodes, the biopic part is there, but I think that they managed to portray both leads as multidimensional characters. They also managed to show how Hollywood and Broadway worked at those times, I really love the show.

    And I totally agree about the writing of Part 4 of WNTSU, people do not treat it with the respect it deserves, nowadays when something is somber and dark is automatically seen as better for not having melodrama. However, I think that Chernobyl was very well calculated in that regard, many people even cannot see the emotional strings that they are moving there, it deserves the award for that, but the best written dialogues and the most complex vocabulary are in A Very English Scandal.

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    Ivo Stoyanov
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    Luca wrote:
    I’ve seen 3 eps so far, and I find Fosse/Verdon to be so incredibly basic and borderline generic in the way it’s telling its story. The editing is all over the place. Thank God for the performance and the visuals, because they’re keeping this show afloat. No idea why this has 17 nods. Hopefully the next few eps change my mind.

    I’ll agree the editing is a bit all over the place, but I definitely disagree that the storytelling is basic / generic. I think they do a good job with jumping time periods when it is relevant and making it clear when they are doing so. I would rather that and make it interesting than something chronological and boring.

    Totally agree with DrewN92, I don’t see nothing basic or generic in the storytelling, it is quite captivating from the first episode, and for me it gets better and better with every episode. The editing is strange, but also works for me. I am a huge Broadway fan and I think that the show really captivated that spirit.

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    What I loved about the Fosse/Verdon writing was a) jumping through time effectively and brilliantly shaping individual episodes around a core theme/project
    B) the fight scene on the beach because wow that dialogue was terrific
    C) episode 5. Perfect bottle episode. To me the highlight of the season and evening though her clip may not be her best, it really is in this episode that Qualley earned her nomination. She quietly steals the entire episode.
    And most importantly D) the way they use theatre and the arts/projects Bob is involved with to give insight about his inner psychology. It’s a simple trick but very effective in setting it apart from your typical biopic. From Bob envisioning himself dancing and then Sliding down the hallway reflecting his hope/dismay during the editing process in Episode 2; to the Pippin fantasy song everyone sings to him; to the Lenny stand up. They use his art to reflect his inner workings which is effective storytelling but fundamentally conveys his attitude to his art as inherently narcissistic.

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    After giving it some thought, I feel like When They See Us was a little better overall than Chernobyl. The last 2 episodes of Chernobyl did nothing for me. When it ended, I was like “was that it?’ I feel like the directing with When They See Us was better as well.

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    I am about to write a WTSU vs. Chernobyl article, tackling factors that could might be very important in regards to their winning chances (where the two differ). And from what I’ve gathered, WTSU has the edge. That said, facts can be misleading.

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