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  • Chris Beachum
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    Continue your discussion of “Game of Thrones” final season in Part 2.

    Jays
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    Sansa for the throne. The evidence is there.

    Mukund
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    The second episode looks great from the preview. Cogman writing it gives me hope that it won’t have similar problems as the premiere.

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    My biggest beef with this episode is that what is supposed to be the central point of tension (i.e, the Wall falling) is being treated as an afterthought to all the fighting over northern independence and Jon bending the knee. It’s not that I didn’t expect tension over Jon’s decision but it’s starting to get ridiculous when the news that the Night King 1) breached the Wall, 2) has a dragon to Dany’s two, which considering that he brought a dragon down singlehandedly last time with a spear, you’d think anyone would be a little more concerned about and 3) has been marching on the North for weeks now which gives him plenty of time to reach the closest castles to the Wall, namely LAST HEARTH, takes a backseat to bickering over why Jon bent the knee. Also, he show is so invested in telling us that Sansa is the smartest person in the room, except Sansa waited so long to send Ned Umber back home that it was a given that everyone in Last Hearth would be slaughtered. Did the collective strategic knowledge of every person in that room flee in terror or something?

    I was leery when I saw that the tagline for this season was For The Throne because that was a harbinger of the show wasting time going around in circles while ignoring the significant game changer that is the Wall falling. Everyone is too fucking relaxed that preparation for the real fight appears to have fallen to secondary characters like Gendry. Sansa is salty. Dany wants respect. Jon keeps repeating the same speech he has given 6 times already. Tyrion is… at this point I don’t know if the show wants us to listen to Tyrion or see all his efforts as misguided and worthless. Even the one thing that should have been treated as a big deal for the coming fight (i.e, Jon riding a dragon) was treated as a cutesy moment between Jon and Dany rather than a significant strategic advancement. But at least I actually got to see Jon and Dany genuinely enjoying each other’s company instead of the show telling me they do, so yay?

    Now, should I wait for someone to catch on that importing the population of every castle in the North to Winterfell to make a stand there is not a sound strategic move?

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    DvirBA
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    I didn’t have a major issue with it, but I hope the lighter tone was a Dave Hill thing for the season opener, and in the rest of the season they’ll return to the usual grim and dark tone, especially in episodes written by Benioff and Weiss. That’s how I want to remember the show, like its always been.

    They should stay on this path with Bran though. When they try to take him too seriously its a little weird, but this way I find him hilarious

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    True. Even when Sansa asked how are they going to feed the army and the dragons everyone was like whatever.

    Thatcher, Prime Minister of GoldDerby
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    Darlings, Emilia Clarke is giving a laughable performance since last season. So so bad.

    Lena Headey hasn't got an Emmy for Game of Thrones????? Emmys you need to win her right now!!

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    Daenerys is sooo going down this season. She’s slowly going nuts right in front of our eyes. That “if she can’t respect me” line made me worried about what she’s truly capable of.

    And who cares if Sansa was annoying and smug, she spoke nothing but facts the entire episode.

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    This scene is so underrated it hurts. Lena Headey and Mark Addy are phenomenal in this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ES_ElI6Wg

    Lena Headey hasn't got an Emmy for Game of Thrones????? Emmys you need to win her right now!!

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    Darlings, Emilia Clarke is giving a laughable performance since last season. So so bad.

    Oh really, Ms. “Meryl Streep deserved an Oscar for The Iron Lady in 2012 (of all years)”? The dead really will talk crap as they lack taste.

    Daenerys is sooo going down this season. She’s slowly going nuts right in front of our eyes. That “if she can’t respect me” line made me worried about what she’s truly capable of. And who cares if Sansa was annoying and smug, she spoke nothing but facts the entire episode.

    Not happening. Season 7 was the right time to make her the Mad Queen but they went the “let’s make her fight for the North” route. HBO and the producers are avoiding that type of controversy at all costs. I would love her to burn all the lame characters to a crisp, though. But I am not getting that ending either. Sansa will be saved in the battle episode and will shut the fuck up for good. Red has never been in battle and feels too entitled to accept help. Let’s just wait

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    My biggest beef with this episode is that what is supposed to be the central point of tension (i.e, the Wall falling) is being treated as an afterthought to all the fighting over northern independence and Jon bending the knee. It’s not that I didn’t expect tension over Jon’s decision but it’s starting to get ridiculous when the news that the Night King 1) breached the Wall, 2) has a dragon to Dany’s two, which considering that he brought a dragon down singlehandedly last time with a spear, you’d think anyone would be a little more concerned about and 3) has been marching on the North for weeks now which gives him plenty of time to reach the closest castles to the Wall, namely LAST HEARTH, takes a backseat to bickering over why Jon bent the knee. Also, he show is so invested in telling us that Sansa is the smartest person in the room, except Sansa waited so long to send Ned Umber back home that it was a given that everyone in Last Hearth would be slaughtered. Did the collective strategic knowledge of every person in that room flee in terror or something? I was leery when I saw that the tagline for this season was For The Throne because that was a harbinger of the show wasting time going around in circles while ignoring the significant game changer that is the Wall falling. Everyone is too fucking relaxed that preparation for the real fight appears to have fallen to secondary characters like Gendry. Sansa is salty. Dany wants respect. Jon keeps repeating the same speech he has given 6 times already. Tyrion is… at this point I don’t know if the show wants us to listen to Tyrion or see all his efforts as misguided and worthless. Even the one thing that should have been treated as a big deal for the coming fight (i.e, Jon riding a dragon) was treated as a cutesy moment between Jon and Dany rather than a significant strategic advancement. But at least I actually got to see Jon and Dany genuinely enjoying each other’s company instead of the show telling me they do, so yay? Now, should I wait for someone to catch on that importing the population of every castle in the North to Winterfell to make a stand there is not a sound strategic move?

    I think regarding the concern for the wall falling and the arrival of the Night King, not everyone knows what’s actually coming. Only a few of the people in the North right now have actually laid eyes on the army of the dead. They don’t necessarily know yet what they’re actually getting themselves into.

    That is a pretty phenomenal scene, but if you’re actually going to commit to doing this with Cersei, then I’m going to have to do the same with Arya. Lena Headey had her chance and lost what should have been easy wins for 2 seasons that she was better in than she will be in this one. Let someone who isn’t a Lannister win for once.

    Lol at this proclamation.

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    It’s possible. I expect the latter half of the season to feature KL heavily.

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    If you expect Headey to be better in this season than she was in 5 and 6, you’re dreaming.

    Her character has always gotten great material and I don’t really see that stopping now. I’m sure she’ll have things to do if, and when, things move back to King’s Landing. Also, she’s not in some competition with trying to be better than she was in a previous season lol. I’m a fan of both Williams and Headey and their performances in the show but Headey has been stronger throughout the entire show and deserves to get her due.

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    I think regarding the concern for the wall falling and the arrival of the Night King, not everyone knows what’s actually coming. Only a few of the people in the North right now have actually laid eyes on the army of the dead. They don’t necessarily know yet what they’re actually getting themselves into.

    That reasoning works to some extent but certainly not for Jon and Dany who not only faced the Night King but witnessed him kill Viserion. To think that they receive the information that the Wall is fallen and that Viserion has been resurrected then spend their time together talking about how Sansa dislikes Dany and frolic on dragons makes them seem out of touch with what’s happening. Even in Jon’s conversation with Sansa, you’d think that some priority would be given to information about things like when the Wall fell (which would have saved at least Ned Umber and the number of people who went back with him) or about survivors or about Sansa’s plan to recall everyone to Winterfell and make their stand with the entire North trapped inside one castle. Book!Jon is supposed to be a darn good strategist and leader; show!Jon doesn’t even bother to ask for a debriefing. Meanwhile he and Dany spend exactly zero amount of time coming up with a plan to encounter the coming threat and focus on Dany’s chilling welcome to the North, which does nothing but actually weakens Jon’s argument that political bickering doesn’t matter because they should all focus on the Others.

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    But then the same could be said for Williams. Who’s to say she’ll be as good as she’s been in pervious seasons?

    That reasoning works to some extent but certainly not for Jon and Dany who not only faced the Night King but witnessed him kill Viserion. To think that they receive the information that the Wall is fallen and that Viserion has been resurrected then spend their time together talking about how Sansa dislikes Dany and frolic on dragons makes them seem out of touch with what’s happening. Even in Jon’s conversation with Sansa, you’d think that some priority would be given to information about things like when the Wall fell (which would have saved at least Ned Umber and the number of people who went back with him) or about survivors or about Sansa’s plan to recall everyone to Winterfell and make their stand with the entire North trapped inside one castle. Book!Jon is supposed to be a darn good strategist and leader; show!Jon doesn’t even bother to ask for a debriefing. Meanwhile he and Dany spend exactly zero amount of time coming up with a plan to encounter the coming threat and focus on Dany’s chilling welcome to the North, which does nothing but actually weakens Jon’s argument that political bickering doesn’t matter because they should all focus on the Others.

    Jon did spend some time of the episode talking about how it doesn’t matter who is king or queen right now, no? That the real threat is the white walkers. I do agree on the dragon riding front though, I thought that was just bad. And about strategizing, maybe next episode we’ll get more of that. They had just gotten to Winterfell this past episode and were working on making weapons out of dragon glass and, in a way, getting the Northerners accustomed with the fact that they’ll be fighting alongside people they loathe.

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