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  • DvirBA
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    If you think that disdain for the final episodes is part of an Internet bubble, maybe try talking to like anyone in real life about it.

    Of course I already did. Most of my close friends love it, some even not aware to the magnitude of the backlash to begin with

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    Julian14
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    It’s weird. The people i talk with are pretty mixed overall they thought iT was not great but when you start to go specific about what Happened they enjoyed much of iT. This is certainly a case were Parts are better than the whole.

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    Pulp
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    People I’ve talked to have been especially positive about Dany’s mad queen storyline, which seemed like the most controversial part of the season to me.

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    <p style=”text-align: left;”>This would be an unpopular opinion but I guess some people will find food for thought:</p>
    They dumbed the show down. If you watched all seasons throughout 8 years and did not binge it within a month, you’d see the quality of the dialogue and arcs dropped significantly from season 5 on.

    The more popular the show got, the less intriguing and more meme-material it became. Evidence:

    -Sansa feuding with Dany over “girly jealousy”

    -Jon’s lines

    -Tyrion’s motivations and political expertise

    -Varys and Littlefinger’s scheming

    -growing popularity of side characters  such as Tormund (whom I like) and Bronn (who makes me want to barf)

    -Euron just being there to say “wanna fuck the Queen”

    -Who’s got a better story than Bran? = “let’s just shock the audience”

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    People I’ve talked to have been especially positive about Dany’s mad queen storyline, which seemed like the most controversial part of the season to me.

    I don’t believe Dany went mad, what she did was very on character and within the design of GRRM

    FYC: Drama Series: Game of Thrones, Comedy Series: Barry, Limited Series: Chernobyl, Drama Lead Actor: Bob Odenkirk (Better Call Saul), Drama Lead Actress: Emilia Clarke (Game of Thrones), Drama Directing: Miguel Sapochnik for The Long Night (Game of Thrones), Drama Writing: Jed Mercurio for Episode 1 (Bodyguard)

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    Pulp
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    I don’t believe Dany went mad, what she did was very on character and within the design of GRRM

    You can argue whether or not it made sense for the character or if it’s what GRRM wanted (has he said so?) but she definitely went mad, not sure how you can say she didn’t.

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    Atypical
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    <p style=”text-align: left;”>This would be an unpopular opinion but I guess some people will find food for thought:</p>
    They dumbed the show down. If you watched all seasons throughout 8 years and did not binge it within a month, you’d see the quality of the dialogue and arcs dropped significantly from season 5 on.

    The more popular the show got, the less intriguing and more meme-material it became. Evidence:

    -Sansa feuding with Dany over “girly jealousy”

    -Jon’s lines

    -Tyrion’s motivations and political expertise

    -Varys and Littlefinger’s scheming

    -growing popularity of side characters such as Tormund (whom I like) and Bronn (who makes me want to barf)

    -Euron just being there to say “wanna fuck the Queen”

    -Who’s got a better story than Bran? = “let’s just shock the audience”

    You could tell this particularly when the book material ended and D&D went “off-script” without Martin’s prose.

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    You could tell this particularly when the book material ended and D&D went “off-script” without Martin’s prose.

    All D&D knew how to do was make “dick” jokes. Once they ran out of source material they were working from an outline. These just weren’t the right guys to finish his story. They did very well at adapting the show with the source material though. They are far better adapters than original writers.

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    Rachel
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    You can argue whether or not it made sense for the character or if it’s what GRRM wanted (has he said so?) but she definitely went mad, not sure how you can say she didn’t.

    The coin flipped on “Cray Cray”  for Dany, as Conleth Hill said.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    You can argue whether or not it made sense for the character or if it’s what GRRM wanted (has he said so?) but she definitely went mad, not sure how you can say she didn’t.

    Let’s see: Daenerys is a Targeryen of Valyrian descent, who more or less know the history of her family and the way they conducted them-self on war and there’s plenty of examples of Valeryan/Targeryen reducing their enemies and their cities to dust and there’s three examples of it just after the Conquest (Harrenhall, Planky Town and Duskendale). Also there’s Dany’s own experience when she traveled with Khal Drogo and the Dothrakies.

    Then there is GRRM design. The Song of Ice & Fire saga it is inspired by real history from multiple countries but specially the war of roses from England. Throught history the destruction of cities and its inhabitants is a constant, specially among ancient mongols and the rest of the Asians civilizations (the Dothrakies are modeled as mongols and valyrians as some combination of Rome/Persia and Egipt), even in the Bible you found examples of the annihilation of entire cities.

    Back to Dany and season 7. Remember what Yara and Lady Oleanna advised to Daenerys: “Strike King Landing and strike it hard”, “war is hard”, “You are a Dragon, be a Dragon”. It was her Lannister adviser who hold Dany back and in doing so putting her in very precarious situations that led to the death of two of her dragons, a very big part of the Queen’s fleet and numerous soldiers.

    Between Sansa’s bratty behavior, Jon’s betrayal and Cersi’s execution of Missandei the only logical explanation is that those events just woke the Dragon in Daenerys.

    FYC: Drama Series: Game of Thrones, Comedy Series: Barry, Limited Series: Chernobyl, Drama Lead Actor: Bob Odenkirk (Better Call Saul), Drama Lead Actress: Emilia Clarke (Game of Thrones), Drama Directing: Miguel Sapochnik for The Long Night (Game of Thrones), Drama Writing: Jed Mercurio for Episode 1 (Bodyguard)

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    Pulp
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    Let’s see: Daenerys is a Targeryen of Valyrian descent, who more or less know the history of her family and the way they conducted them-self on war and there’s plenty of examples of Valeryan/Targeryen reducing their enemies and their cities to dust and there’s three examples of it just after the Conquest (Harrenhall, Planky Town and Duskendale). Also there’s Dany’s own experience when she traveled with Khal Drogo and the Dothrakies. Then there is GRRM design. The Song of Ice & Fire saga it is inspired by real history from multiple countries but specially the war of roses from England. Throught history the destruction of cities and its inhabitants is a constant, specially among ancient mongols and the rest of the Asians civilizations (the Dothrakies are modeled as mongols and valyrians as some combination of Rome/Persia and Egipt), even in the Bible you found examples of the annihilation of entire cities. Back to Dany and season 7. Remember what Yara and Lady Oleanna advised to Daenerys: “Strike King Landing and strike it hard”, “war is hard”, “You are a Dragon, be a Dragon”. It was her Lannister adviser who hold Dany back and in doing so putting her in very precarious situations that led to the death of two of her dragons, a very big part of the Queen’s fleet and numerous soldiers. Between Sansa’s bratty behavior, Jon’s betrayal and Cersi’s execution of Missandei the only logical explanation is that those events just woke the Dragon in Daenerys.

    It sounds to me like you’re saying she went mad.

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    Between Sansa’s bratty behavior, Jon’s betrayal and Cersi’s execution of Missandei the only logical explanation is that those events just woke the Dragon in Daenerys.

    It’s funny how the events you list that lead up to “waking the dragon in Dany” all take place in a 4 episode span, when probably the biggest criticism of the season was how the turnaround of Dany’s character was much too rapid and seemed to only exist in the context of season 8 rather than the 7 seasons leading up to it, but maybe that conversation is a bit tired at this point.

    I am curious, GOT S8 defenders, if you have anything to add regarding the death Rhaegal. The explanation we received was Dany “forgot” about the fleet, which was literally the biggest concern there was regarding storming King ‘s Landing (prior to the death of civilians question). Can someone help me understand how Dany and everyone on her team could have “forgotten” the Iron Fleet, other than the plotting of it was a convenient set-up for her going mad the following episode?

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    Rachel
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    It’s funny how the events you list that lead up to “waking the dragon in Dany” all take place in a 4 episode span, when probably the biggest criticism of the season was how the turnaround of Dany’s character was much too rapid and seemed to only exist in the context of season 8 rather than the 7 seasons leading up to it, but maybe that conversation is a bit tired at this point. I am curious, GOT S8 defenders, if you have anything to add regarding the death Rhaegal. The explanation we received was Dany “forgot” about the fleet, which was literally the biggest concern there was regarding storming King ‘s Landing (prior to the death of civilians question). Can someone help me understand how Dany and everyone on her team could have “forgotten” the Iron Fleet, other than the plotting of it was a convenient set-up for her going mad the following episode?

    Rhaegal dying that way really upset me. The poor dragon fights like hell in the Battle of Winterfell only to get shot down by Euron Greyjoy?? Who Dany should’ve been able to see. There’s no way ANYONE could have forgotten about the largest Navy fleet in Westeros. It’s just another good example of terrible, terrible writing on D&D’s behalf.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    It’s funny how the events you list that lead up to “waking the dragon in Dany” all take place in a 4 episode span, when probably the biggest criticism of the season was how the turnaround of Dany’s character was much too rapid and seemed to only exist in the context of season 8 rather than the 7 seasons leading up to it, but maybe that conversation is a bit tired at this point.

    I am curious, GOT S8 defenders, if you have anything to add regarding the death Rhaegal. The explanation we received was Dany “forgot” about the fleet, which was literally the biggest concern there was regarding storming King ‘s Landing (prior to the death of civilians question). Can someone help me understand how Dany and everyone on her team could have “forgotten” the Iron Fleet, other than the plotting of it was a convenient set-up for her going mad the following episode?

    I think too much has been done and been taken too literally about that “kind of forgot” statement. Let’s remember that Dragonstone wasn’t under any kind of siege when Dany was there or didn’t received any news about it when she wasn’t. This is just nick picking.

    There are absolutely some valid criticism with S8 but most of what is on the internet are pure exaggerations.

    One of the weird things that D&D did on the Inside Episode review is that they always talk like they just mere watchers doing a review but the actual writers in that context is where the “kind a forgot” comment come from it isn’t a statement of fact from the masterminds.

    And again, the inclination of “lay armies to waste and burning cities” is not a thing that just come out in season 8 and the waking the dragon thing is not something that needed 20 episodes to do, just needed the right circumstances and let’s face it there were enough reasons to wake the dragon and keeping it awake for a thousand years.

    FYC: Drama Series: Game of Thrones, Comedy Series: Barry, Limited Series: Chernobyl, Drama Lead Actor: Bob Odenkirk (Better Call Saul), Drama Lead Actress: Emilia Clarke (Game of Thrones), Drama Directing: Miguel Sapochnik for The Long Night (Game of Thrones), Drama Writing: Jed Mercurio for Episode 1 (Bodyguard)

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    It sounds to me like you’re saying she went mad.

    Angry is the right word

    FYC: Drama Series: Game of Thrones, Comedy Series: Barry, Limited Series: Chernobyl, Drama Lead Actor: Bob Odenkirk (Better Call Saul), Drama Lead Actress: Emilia Clarke (Game of Thrones), Drama Directing: Miguel Sapochnik for The Long Night (Game of Thrones), Drama Writing: Jed Mercurio for Episode 1 (Bodyguard)

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