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    Ok so I’m on season 5 now and I don’t understand how “The Quarterback” got snubbed in writing and directing, especially considering its point of discussion. It was a tribute that was written with precision and is probably one of the best episodes of its kind of the 2010s.

    I think (based on what I’ve seen of season 5 so far) that it should have gotten the same treatment The Good Wife season 6 got (which was undeserving treatment for The Good Wife season 6 but deserving for Glee season 5). It should have gotten its key supporting player in (I think Lynch should have won again), a guest nomination (which it did) and unlike The Good Wife season 6 it should have gotten a writing and directing nom for “The Quarterback”. Colfer and Michele should have been dropped that year and my god are Demi Lovato and Adam Lambert’s appearances irritating, useless and awful.

    1. Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series (Lea Michele) (5×09 : “Frenemies”)
    2. Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series (Darren Criss) (5×07 : “Puppet Master”)
    3. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Jane Lynch) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    4. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Naya Rivera) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    5. Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series (Brad Falchuk) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    6. Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series (Ian Brennan, Brad Falchuk and Ryan Murphy) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    7. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Lauren Potter) (5×06 : “Movin’ Out”)

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Melissa Benoist) (S4x01 “The New Rachel”) (were there 8 nominees)

    Benoist was submitted in Guest for Season 4, which is insane since she’s in 22/22 episodes and her entire plot one (and introduction) is literally about being The New Rachel (replacing the previous lead).

    Emmys FYC | Alan Tudyk in “Resident Alien” | Billie Piper in “I Hate Suzie” | Ego Nwodim in “Saturday Night Live” | Kaley Cuoco in “Harley Quinn” | “Dickinson” | “P-Valley” | “Pose” | “Superstore”

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    Ok so I’m on season 5 now and I don’t understand how “The Quarterback” got snubbed in writing and directing, especially considering its point of discussion. It was a tribute that was written with precision and is probably one of the best episodes of its kind of the 2010s.

    I think (based on what I’ve seen of season 5 so far) that it should have gotten the same treatment The Good Wife season 6 got (which was undeserving treatment for The Good Wife season 6 but deserving for Glee season 5). It should have gotten its key supporting player in (I think Lynch should have won again), a guest nomination (which it did) and unlike The Good Wife season 6 it should have gotten a writing and directing nom for “The Quarterback”. Colfer and Michele should have been dropped that year and my god are Demi Lovato and Adam Lambert’s appearances irritating, useless and awful.

    1. Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series (Darren Criss) (5×07 : “Puppet Master”)
    2. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Jane Lynch) (5×07 : “Puppet Master”)
    3. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Naya Rivera) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    4. Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series (Brad Falchuk) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    5. Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series (Ian Brennan, Brad Falchuk and Ryan Murphy) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    6. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Lauren Potter) (5×06 : “Movin’ Out”)
    7. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Dot Marie-Jones)

    First half of season five, excluding “The Quarterback”, is the worst the show ever was for me. I wouldn’t even have nominated Lynch for it. It’s understandable of course as the writers were quite clearly in a spin of adjusting everything they had planned in the wake of Monteith’s death. By contrast, the second half of season five is the best, most self-aware and most entertaining Glee ever was and it should have gotten Lea Michele a nomination along with Colfer and Paltrow. Honestly don’t know how you think “Puppet Master” was worthy of anything – it was the worst episode of the show at that point imo.

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    First half of season five, excluding “The Quarterback”, is the worst the show ever was for me. I wouldn’t even have nominated Lynch for it. It’s understandable of course as the writers were quite clearly in a spin of adjusting everything they had planned in the wake of Monteith’s death. By contrast, the second half of season five is the best, most self-aware and most entertaining Glee ever was and it should have gotten Lea Michele a nomination along with Colfer and Paltrow. Honestly don’t know how you think “Puppet Master” was worthy of anything – it was the worst episode of the show at that point imo.

    So I’m currently on “Trio” so this will be updated in due course. I agree with your analysis of the first half of the season, hence why I’ve put The Quarterback as the submission for writing, directing and Rivera. I still think Lynch and Criss are quite good (and yes Puppet Master was traumatising) so I guess until I finish the season I’d say those should have been their submissions. Although maybe Lynch’s could have been The Quarterback as well.

    It’s interesting what you’re saying about Colfer and Michele because I’m finding them to be the most irritating in the first half (apart from Benoist and the new Glee kids of course!), my opinion on who/what should be nominated might drastically change after the mid season. I hear Colfer wrote an episode for season 5?

    Also what is the point of the celebrity cameos in the first half of season 5? I mean at least Paltrow, Chenoweth and Hudson’s cameos provide proper entertaining challenges for the protagonists of the show and Burnett and Griffin’s cameos provide fun social commentary but my god Lovato and Lambert were the worst parts of season 5 (or rather as you’ve pointed out the first half of season 5). Their inclusions made Glee look like it was a parody of itself.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    “Bash” should convince you on Colfer but I think if you already seen “Frenemies” and don’t think Lea Michele is on fire then I doubt the rest of the season will convince you. I’d have given her a nomination for any of that episode, “New New York”, “Opening Night” and “The Back-up Plan”.

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    Benoist was submitted in Guest for Season 4, which is insane since she’s in 22/22 episodes and her entire plot one (and introduction) is literally about being The New Rachel (replacing the previous lead).

    This was during a time where there wasn’t an episode limit for consideration for the Guest awards. John Lithgow won Guest Actor for Dexter when John was in almost if not all of the episodes of season 4 of Dexter. It would have been great if John Lithgow went Supporting so that Gregory Itzin from 24 could have won Guest Actor Drama.

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    “Bash” should convince you on Colfer but I think if you already seen “Frenemies” and don’t think Lea Michele is on fire then I doubt the rest of the season will convince you. I’d have given her a nomination for any of that episode, “New New York”, “Opening Night” and “The Back-up Plan”.

    Ah yes I forgot about Frenemies! Her and Naya Rivera’s performances were outstanding in that.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    There were like 5 watchable episodes of this show. Everything else was embarassing

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    Is that why the Television Academy gave Glee Emmy nominations for 28 different episodes?

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Benoist was submitted in Guest for Season 4, which is insane since she’s in 22/22 episodes and her entire plot one (and introduction) is literally about being The New Rachel (replacing the previous lead).

    This is absolutely hilarious. The “less than 50%” rule is not perfect, but it’s a hell of a lot better than the old system that permitted stuff like this to happen. Genuinely, how could this be allowed?

    Emmys FYC: Maya Erskine in PEN15, Paapa Essiedu in I May Destroy You, Keeley Hawes in It's a Sin, Carl Lumbly in TFATWS, Cristin Milioti in Made for Love, Elizabeth Olsen in WandaVision, Billie Piper in I Hate Suzie, Hailee Steinfeld in Dickinson, William Zabka in Cobra Kai

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    This is absolutely hilarious. The “less than 50%” rule is not perfect, but it’s a hell of a lot better than the old system that permitted stuff like this to happen. Genuinely, how could this be allowed?

    The new kids in season 4 were listed in the opening titles/credits as “guest stars”.

    The shows cast credit system was a absolute kii.

    Benoist & Jacob Artist (22/22), Becca Tobin (20/32) and Alex Newell & Blake Jenner were in 18/22 as “guest stars” while Amber Riley, Mark Salling & Harry Shum Jr were all in less than 5 episodes as “Main Cast” members.

    Amber Riley appeared in more than double the amount episodes in as guest star in S5 (12/20) than she did as a main in S4.

    Emmys FYC | Alan Tudyk in “Resident Alien” | Billie Piper in “I Hate Suzie” | Ego Nwodim in “Saturday Night Live” | Kaley Cuoco in “Harley Quinn” | “Dickinson” | “P-Valley” | “Pose” | “Superstore”

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    This is absolutely hilarious. The “less than 50%” rule is not perfect, but it’s a hell of a lot better than the old system that permitted stuff like this to happen. Genuinely, how could this be allowed?

    I do not know why the Emmys have so much trouble with this.  Through 2006, the rule was that you had to be credited as a guest and be in under six episodes.  So then you would have cases like Michael Emerson being ineligible for being in 8/24 episodes of the second season of Lost.  Then they changed it to anyone with a guest star credit, so people like John Lithgow, Joan Cusack, Joe Morton and Uzo Aduba were guests despite being in every episode, while Jack Gleason would appear in 2/10 episodes of his final season of Game of Thrones and be ineligible.  And now we have our current system, which is the best one yet, but still not quite there because they will not make the minor change that would get people like Sterling K. Brown on The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and Sue the therapist on Ozark out of supporting.

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    Glee was unlike anything else in its prime. If only it sustained that darker tone throughout its run. It began grounded in its eccentricities, then fell in to a more Disney-like format when it became the biggest show on TV.

    Lea Michele started getting snubbed far too soon. She gave it 100% every episode and the small handful she didn’t appear in, her absence was felt. She had deserving tapes in every single season. She also deserved 2 nominations for Supporting Actress for her work in Scream Queens. Hester was hilarious and Michele nailed it.

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    Glee was unlike anything else in its prime. If only it sustained that darker tone throughout its run. It began grounded in its eccentricities, then fell in to a more Disney-like format when it became the biggest show on TV. Lea Michele started getting snubbed far too soon. She gave it 100% every episode and the small handful she didn’t appear in, her absence was felt. She had deserving tapes in every single season. She also deserved 2 nominations for Supporting Actress for her work in Scream Queens. Hester was hilarious and Michele nailed it.

    Tbh after forwardswill reminded me of her performance in “Frenemies”, it shocks me to know that she wasn’t nominated for all six seasons.

    Jane Lynch should have won for all her seasons. She should have become the JLD of this category. Also the fact that Darren Criss was not submitted by Fox instead of Chord Overstreet is laughable.

    I think Colfer should have at least won for season 2. Modern Family’s wins in the Supporting Actor category are just boring.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Jane Lynch should have won for all her seasons.

    Even season 3? I can’t even think of a standout episode for her in that one.

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