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    I’d say “The Spanish Teacher” but I know some people who find that episode to be a bit strange but it pretty much is written to both show Sue’s conflict between her more competitive side and her softer side.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Glee was never the biggest show on TV.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Glee was never the biggest show on TV.

    In 2010/11, there was nothing bigger. Huge ratings, critical acclaim, commercial popularity, kids adored it (probably due to unaware adults thinking it was suitable for all ages lol). I remember being at a stationary store and there were Glee notebooks, stickers, bagpacks and folders on display beside One Direction and princess themed stuff. Plus the cast did stadium tours, topped the radio charts and had so many albums being released. It certainly wasn’t everybody’s cup of tea, but Glee was an undeniable phenomenon.

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    Side-note Glee’s 2014 submissions to Guest Actress were wild • Melissa Benoist as Marley Rose • Patty Duke as Jan • Kate Hudson as Cassandra July • Dot-Marie Jones as Shannon Beiste • NeNe Leakes as Coach Roz • Sarah Jessica Parker as Isabelle Wright • Lauren Potter as Becky Jackson 

    In terms of who would have made sense as a nominee (from most sense to least)

    Hudson
    Jessica Parker
    Jones
    Potter
    Duke

    And I’m not going to credit Leakes because seriously and Benoist shouldn’t be Guest.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Glee was not the biggest show on television in 2010/11 just like this thread is not supposed to be about the performance of Glee at the Emmys.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    I just checked all of the acting Emmy submissions for Glee and I see that NeNe Leakes was submitted three times for guest actress! The submissions were really all over the place, with Amber Riley only submitted for the seasons 1 and 2, Jayma Mays only submitted for seasons 2 and 3, and Jenna Ushkowitz only submitted for seasons 3 and 4 (not like any of them were going to upend Jane Lynch, but it wasn’t really reflective of the quality of their work each season), while Kevin McHale submitted every season until the last one, Chord Overstreet submitted for seasons 2 and 4, and Matthew Morrison, who managed a nomination for season 1, just stopped submitting after season 4. At least in the guest categories, for the most part, the submissions were of those who felt more impactful and yielded good results, with NPH and Mike O’Malley getting much deserved attention for the first season in guest actor and Chenoweth, Paltrow, and, then, much to pretty much everyone’s surprise, Dot-Marie Jones rattling off three nods in a row, in guest actress.

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    I just checked all of the acting Emmy submissions for Glee and I see that NeNe Leakes was submitted three times for guest actress! The submissions were really all over the place, with Amber Riley only submitted for the seasons 1 and 2, Jayma Mays only submitted for seasons 2 and 3, and Jenna Ushkowitz only submitted for seasons 3 and 4 (not like any of them were going to upend Jane Lynch, but it wasn’t really reflective of the quality of their work each season), while Kevin McHale submitted every season until the last one, Chord Overstreet submitted for seasons 2 and 4, and Matthew Morrison, who managed a nomination for season 1, just stopped submitting after season 4. At least in the guest categories, for the most part, the submissions were of those who felt more impactful and yielded good results, with NPH and Mike O’Malley getting much deserved attention for the first season in guest actor and Chenoweth, Paltrow, and, then, much to pretty much everyone’s surprise, Dot-Marie Jones rattling off three nods in a row in guest actress.

    Jayma Mays would have been a deserving nominee for season 3 or 4.

    O’Malley should have been nominated more than once.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    In my opinion, these actors should have won for these episodes

    2010:
    Jane Lynch – The Power of Madonna
    Chris Colfer – Preggers (this should have been his submission)
    NPH – Dream On
    2011:
    Lea Michele – Original Song
    Chris Colfer – Furt/Grilled Cheesus/Never Been Kissed (he was brilliant in all of them)
    Jane Lynch – Funeral
    Gwyneth Paltrow – The Substitute
    2012:
    Dot-Marie Jones – Choke

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    This thread is filled with fuckery and represents everything gone wrong with Goldderby. A complete cesspool.

    I’ve barely seen anyone come up with a real reason why Glee failed to hit big with Emmy wins but I think I know why. Just look at this thread; Glee was a huge show (anyone denying that has revisionist history or is delusional) and had a very large fanbase amongst teens but it was also a veryyy divisive one. The way Ryan Murphy dealt with some subject matters in certain episodes were polarising and even the first season had a lot of vocal detractors (besides the homophobic, juvenile incels of the world).

    Modern Family was new too but also had muucchhhh better acclaim with critics and was considered groundbreaking for its “progressive” showcase of a familial sitcom. The writing was more sharp and consistent than that of Glee and garnered a ton of passion in the industry. It wasn’t looked at as just a teen boppy show filled with trivial problems (there was the criticism that Glee actually reinforced stereotypes in over the top fashion). It was seen as brilliant all around and became a consensus show that everyone could agree on was very good as opposed to Glee where many could see that as grating and insufferable.

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    So I finished rewatching Glee season 5 and forwardswill was right! It does get much better in the second half. The first half of Glee season 5 (barring The Quarterback) is what hell would look like.

    I still think Lynch should have won again but here are the Emmys I think it should have been nominated for :

    1. Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series (Lea Michele) (5×17 : “Opening Night”)
    2. Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series (Darren Criss) (5×16 : “Tested”)
    3. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Jane Lynch) (5×17 : “Opening Night”)
    4. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Naya Rivera) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    5. Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series (Brad Falchuk) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    6. Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series (Paris Barclay) (5×12 : “100”)
    7. Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series (Ian Brennan, Brad Falchuk and Ryan Murphy) (5×03 : “The Quarterback”)
    8. Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series (Ian Brennan, Brad Falchuk and Ryan Murphy) (5×12 : “100”)
    9. Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series (Mike O’Malley) (5×15 : “Bash”)
    10. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Kristin Chenoweth) (5×12 : “100”)
    11. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Heather Morris) (5×13 : “New Directions”)
    12. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Gwyneth Paltrow) (5×13 : “New Directions”)
    13. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Lauren Potter) (5×10 : “Trio”)
    14. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Kristen Schaal) (5×20 : “The Untitled Rachel Berry Project”)

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Finished rebingeing Glee season 6. I remember liking this season more than season 3, 4 and 5 (although not as much as season 1 and 2) for some reason when it was originally on. I think it must have been because season 6 really showed off what made Glee great, it was a return to the show’s dark roots and the dark humour and social satire seen in the first two seasons where very visible in this season. Lynch definitely should have won again, she delivered some of her best work on Glee in season 6. I also think had Amber Riley (whose acting I wasn’t a very big fan of in earlier seasons) submitted she should have been nominated. I wish that the Television Academy could have been sentimental like the writing branch of the Television Academy was with the final season of The Good Wife (although I wish the acting branch was more sentimental and Margulies and Baranski were criminally snubbed but that’s a conversation for another time). If I’m honest season 6 should have been Glee’s third and final nomination for Comedy Series like Modern Family’s final season should earn it a Comedy Series nomination as a farewell hug.

    Controversial but this was the only season (alongside season one) I think Rivera shouldn’t have been nominated for.

    The above the line Emmys I think Glee should have won and/or been nominated for in 2015 (Bold are those it should have won)

    1. Outstanding Comedy Series (2015)
    2. Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series (Lea Michele) (6×01 : “Loser Like Me”)
    3. Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy Series (Darren Criss) (6×02 : “Homecoming”)
    4. Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series (Chris Colfer) (6×12 : “2009”)
    5. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Jane Lynch) (6×10 : “The Rise and Fall of Sue Sylvester”)
    6. Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series (Amber Riley) (6×12 : “2009”)
    7. Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series (Ken Jeong) (6×08 : “A Wedding”)
    8. Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series (Mike O’Malley) (6×12 : “2009”)
    9. Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series (Iqbal Theba) (6×04 : “The Hurt Locker Part One”)
    10. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Carol Burnett) (6×08 : “The Rise and Fall of Sue Sylvester”)
    11. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Dot Marie-Jones) (6×03 : “Jagged Little Tapestry”)
    12. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Heather Morris) (6×08 : “A Wedding”)
    13. Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series (Lauren Potter) (6×10 : “The Rise and Fall of Sue Sylvester”)
    14. Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series (Paris Barclay) (6×12 : “2009”)
    15. Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series (Ian Brennan) (6×04 : “The Hurt Locker Part One”)
    16. Outstanding Directing in a Comedy Series (Bradley Buecker) (6×02 : “Homecoming”)
    17. Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series (Ian Brennan) (6×04 : “The Hurt Locker Part One”)
    18. Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series (Jessica Meyer) (6×10 : “The Rise and Fall of Sue Sylvester”)
    19. Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series (Ryan Murphy & Brad Falchuk & Ian Brennan) (6×13 : “Dreams Come True”)

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Season Six is a weird one for me because I know I enjoyed it a lot at the time but when I look back I can’t help but think of the flaws. It might be because the finale, whilst perfect fan service at the time, doesn’t hold up from a storytelling perspective meaning the season lacks urgency as essentially all it builds to is a series of unconnected events that reveal what happened to the characters. There’s also the fact that the season contains what is without a doubt the worst episode of the show (“Child Star”). Still, there were a lot of good episodes, Lynch and Michele were outlandishly good and “2009” is just an all-time great episode of television for me in how it is secretly constructed as another tribute to Monteith without the viewer knowing it til the last second. It’s ironic that it missed Directing as it was the first deserving episode of Paris Barclay’s since “Wheels”. In terms of other nominations I wouldn’t have been anywhere near as kind as you, Wolfali.

    I probably would have gone: Actress (Michele, nom, “2009”), Supp. Actress (Lynch, win, “The Hurt Locker”), Supp. Actress (Jones, nom, “Jagged Little Tapestry”), Supp. Actor (Colfer, nom, “2009”), Writing and Directing (“2009”) and Original Music ad Lyrics (“This Time”). Back in 2015, I probably would have said series as well but not today.

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    Season Six is a weird one for me because I know I enjoyed it a lot at the time but when I look back I can’t help but think of the flaws. It might be because the finale, whilst perfect fan service at the time, doesn’t hold up from a storytelling perspective meaning the season lacks urgency as essentially all it builds to is a series of unconnected events that reveal what happened to the characters. There’s also the fact that the season contains what is without a doubt the worst episode of the show (“Child Star”). Still, there were a lot of good episodes, Lynch and Michele were outlandishly good and “2009” is just an all-time great episode of television for me in how it is secretly constructed as another tribute to Monteith without the viewer knowing it til the last second. It’s ironic that it missed Directing as it was the first deserving episode of Paris Barclay’s since “Wheels”. In terms of other nominations I wouldn’t have been anywhere near as kind as you, Wolfali. I probably would have gone: Actress (Michele, nom, “2009”), Supp. Actress (Lynch, win, “The Hurt Locker”), Supp. Actress (Jones, nom, “Jagged Little Tapestry”), Supp. Actor (Colfer, nom, “2009”), Writing and Directing (“2009”) and Original Music ad Lyrics (“This Time”). Back in 2015, I probably would have said series as well but not today.

    Do not mention the devil child!

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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