September 28, 2020 at 7:28 am #1203738915
Maybe renaming these Prestige Television Razzies would be a better idea since that apparently is a factor for some.
We don’t call the Emmys the Prestige Primetime Emmy Awards even though prestige is resolutely a key factor so why would we change anything here?
At the end of the day it seems obvious to me that there has to be an element of considering what a show is trying to achieve vs. the quality delivered. Otherwise, it wouldn’t even be technically fair to discuss something like Riverdale as with hundreds of TV networks I’m sure there’s probably many small shows out there that are worse out there than that. Given that I think everyone can accept that to do things this way and only talk about those kinds of crappy shows that are actually doing fine for what they are would be ridiculous, I don’t see why it is so much of a leap to realise that it 100% makes more sense to only consider shows that were at least supposed to be good.
I also think, due to GoldDerby’s tastes in general, this discussion would get real boring real fast if we were all limited to “which is worse Riverdale or Manifest”. Anyway, those are my two cents.
(PS: I’d like to make it clear that I do not associate myself with the lazy “stan” argument that has just been utilised by a user attempting to agree with me)September 28, 2020 at 8:53 am #1203739033
Okay I may have been a bit too harsh on Westworld because despite not liking this season at all and thinking that Jeffrey Wright robbed Tom Pelphrey and Josh O’Connor of nominations I still think the actors are great (especially Newton and Wood). The stans comment was poor and I have deleted that.
However what I do take issue with of what people arguing against the inclusion of the writers of Westworld or Killing Eve or The Handmaid’s Tale even in a dishonourable achievement awardd is the fact that the argument is “because they’re prestige shows”. I find that quite poor and I think it reinforces old fashioned stereotypes on what type of stories are seen to deserve merit and which do not. For example This is Us and Buffy the Vampire Slayer are not considered prestige dramas but I think we can agree that they are not Razzie worthy either and that the actors of both shows are in fact Emmy worthy. If we’re agreeing that a show doesn’t have to be considered prestigious to be nominated at the Emmys then why can’t we agree that a show that is trying to be prestigious can’t be nominated at a Television Razzies. Prestige doesn’t equal good.
If a people consider the writing of Westworld season 3 to be Razzie worthy because it threw the show off a cliff in a way that hadn’t been seen since GoT (I’m just paraphrasing a comment posted earlier in the thread) then let them. I mean it’s not as if it’s even an unpopular opinion (even if one may personally disagree with it).
I mean it’s not as if people on here don’t keep slanting Truth Be Told or Ratched as Razzie worthy when they’re aiming to be prestige dramas.
FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", GLENN CLOSE FOR "HILLBILLY ELEGY", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).September 28, 2020 at 9:02 am #1203739060
On a separate note if you haven’t sent me your picks for each of the categories this is a reminder to do so. Also for those who sent the ballots before the three additional categories (Worst New Program, Redeemer Award and Dishonourable Achievement of the Year) were added please do so.
FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", GLENN CLOSE FOR "HILLBILLY ELEGY", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).September 28, 2020 at 10:42 am #1203739228
I mean, most “prestige” television is absolute puke and if you can’t (or won’t) see that then I’m so sorry.
There were like a dozen or so not-bad programs this season lol.September 28, 2020 at 11:13 am #1203739325
I mean, most “prestige” television is absolute puke and if you can’t (or won’t) see that then I’m so sorry. There were like a dozen or so not-bad programs this season lol.
Disliking everything just to be different doesn’t make you special.September 28, 2020 at 11:17 am #1203739335
I dislike most things because I find them to be dull and uninteresting. Because that puts me in the minority, I promise it’s okay for me to jokingly chide people for enjoying things I don’t.
But also, yeah, it does make me cool 🙂September 28, 2020 at 11:28 am #1203739363
The first whole season of AHS without any redeemable features
And the recently cancelled but still awful “Man with a Plan”, so terrible it makes Last Man Standing look like Seinfeld.September 28, 2020 at 11:34 am #1203739373
Prestige doesn’t equal good.
This is what I wish the actual film Razzies would do, like it’s 2020, why are you still shitting on Katherine Heigel films. And the one time they actual do is J.Law in Mother when the actual worst performance is the painfully miscast Javier Bardem.
Imagine bow much better they’d be if instead for shitting on Fifty Shades 3 for the millionth. They start shitting on the likes of Burnt, The Goldfinch, Stonewall, Big Eyes and most of Cameron Crowe’s & Woody Allen’s recent filmographies.September 28, 2020 at 11:48 am #1203739400
WW season 3 being slammed while the biggest waste of time for every1 aka Big Little Lie Season 2 remains scot-free.September 28, 2020 at 11:50 am #1203739408
Just two more fyc from me:
September 28, 2020 at 12:11 pm #1203739435
Really any CBS Sitcom right now could take up all of the Comedy Categories.
FYC Oscars: Chloe Zhao (Nomadland), Delroy Lindo (Da 5 Bloods), Mark Rylance (Trail of the Chicago 7), Viola Davis and Chadwick Boseman (Ma Rainey's Black Bottom), Soul (Best Picture, Best Animated Feature Film, and Best Original Screenplay)
FYC Grammys: Circles (Album of the Year), Good News (Record and Song of the Year), Future Nostalgia (Album of the Year), Don't Start Now (Record and Song of the Year), Everything I Wanted (Record and Song of the Year)September 28, 2020 at 12:41 pm #1203739495
FYC: Star Trek: PicardSeptember 28, 2020 at 1:03 pm #1203739570
The scope for terrible television is simply so broad that it’s hard to choose. I imagine that’s why there is no TV version of the Razzies, because there are literally hundreds of thousands of hours of god awful programming being churned out regularly by studios (and streaming services) and it’s impossible to go through them and make a conclusive list. The Emmys are easier because there’s campaigning, there’s eligibility requirements, there’s a self-selective pool of contenders. I can’t in good faith say that the writers of THT/KE/WW/BLL deserve this award when there are infinitely worse things on TV.
That being said, I submit:
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