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    FYC : J. Smith-Cameron
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    At the beginning of the last decade we saw how Showtime, along with HBO and AMC, became a cable force to be reckoned with at the Emmys after receiving multiple Series nominations for Dexter, Homeland and Nurse Jackie and actually winning Drama Series in 2012. However nowadays it seems that Showtime is on life support in the Drama and Comedy categories at the Emmys. The network has failed to get Series nominations for some of its top shows like The Affair, Billions, House of Lies, Masters of Sex etc over the years whilst randomly getting performers like Don Cheadle, Alison Janney, Mandy Patinkin and Maura Tierney in.

    I find it strange that the big a change can occur for a network’s Emmy chances so I wanted to know what happened? And why?

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    They expected Billions to be there big Emmy contender and it just never caught on. They also stop making 30 minutes series led by females that brought them tons of Emmy attention (Toni Collette, Edie Falco, MaryLouise Parker , Laura Linney).

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    Also all their shows got worse and that niche they were occupying started being taken over by streaming shows.

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    I would vote for Kidding, On Becoming a God in Central Florida and Back to Life.

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    Wrong priorities on their Emmy campaign as to what their best series for the season, as subjective as it is. They could have gotten Kidding in Series, Writing, Directing for Gondry and Carrey would have been competitive for a win for its first season. Instead, they only focused their campaign on Escape at Dannermora. I couldn’t blame them though it has a high profile cast and crew but only if they had pushed Kidding then I’m pretty sure it could have gotten in. This year I hope they push On Becoming a God in Central Florida more. They will have the final season of Homeland so I would understand that they might wanna give it a farewell nod but it was the former who have gotten in Golden Globes and WGA backed with critical acclaim for most especially to Dunst performance.

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    I think it’s partially because all of their shows since have been so small in the public discourse, I don’t think they’ve had haven’t had an outright populist hit since Homeland & Shameless.

    Another aspect is I think in terms of Emmys respectability, they’ve kinda been replaced by FX. They managed to became a mini-Emmy player before Showtime did (acting wins for Chiklis, Braugher & Close, series nominee in Damages, above-the-line nominations for weird stuff like Rescue Me, Lucky Louie & Nip/Tuck).

    This decade they’ve been responsible for huge critically hits like Justified & Americans, perfected the auteur dramedy (Louie, Atlanta, Better Things) & essentially revived the limited series genre (AHS & Fargo) to what it is now.

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    While I agree that Showtime has been struggling, AMC is in a much worse state. First of all it is a complete nonstarter in comedy categories and outside of Mad Men/Breaking Bad universe they only had The Night Manager. Though lately they have ordered some cools shows like Kevin Can F*** Himself, National Anthem and 61st Street.

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    While I agree that Showtime has been struggling, AMC is in a much worse state. First of all it is a complete nonstarter in comedy categories and outside of Mad Men/Breaking Bad universe they only had The Night Manager. Though lately they have ordered some cools shows like Kevin Can F*** Himself, National Anthem and 61st Street.

    I guess I see Showtime as in a worse state because they haven’t had a series nomination in Drama since Homeland in 2016 and on the Comedy side since Nurse Jackie in 2010 whilst AMC has managed to get Better Call Saul into series for all its seasons (so far).

    Although I agree AMC is in a bad state for a network that has won six Drama Series Emmys. Will be interesting to see if 61st Street can get any awards love and if Tosin Cole can become the second Doctor Who principal actor to ever score an above the line Emmy nomination (after Matt Smith).

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    While I agree that Showtime has been struggling, AMC is in a much worse state. First of all it is a complete nonstarter in comedy categories and outside of Mad Men/Breaking Bad universe they only had The Night Manager. Though lately they have ordered some cools shows like Kevin Can F*** Himself, National Anthem and 61st Street.

    Isn’t Killing Eve technically an AMC show?

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    Isn’t Killing Eve technically an AMC show?

    No. Unlike PBS with Downton Abbey or Amazon with Fleabag, I don’t think AMC is involved in the production of Killing Eve. The nominations for the latter count toward BBC America solely.

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    AMC is definitely in worse position than Showtime IMO considering it’s solely dependent on a single show for above the line noms. See the former getting zero noms at the main telecast in 2018 when BCS was ineligible. For the last four years, except BCS, they haven’t had a major nomination for any of their other shows.

    At least Showtime manages major nominations for multiple shows across various categories, usually getting more than those received by AMC. Showtime also got into Limited Series the last two years so there’s that. Saul is at the end of its run so AMC is really in danger if things don’t change.

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    AMC is definitely in worse position than Showtime IMO considering it’s solely dependent on a single show for above the line noms. See the former getting zero noms at the main telecast in 2018 when BCS was ineligible. For the last four years, except BCS, they haven’t had a major nomination for any of their other shows. At least Showtime manages major nominations for multiple shows across various categories, usually getting more than those received by AMC. Showtime also got into Limited Series the last two years so there’s that. Saul is at the end of its run so AMC is really in danger if things don’t change.

    Showtime seems to be doing ok on the Limited Series side (in nominations not wins) but apart from randomly getting performers here and there Showtime seems to be dead in Comedy and Drama (see the fact it got 0 noms in both categories in 2018 despite Maura Tierney being nominated the previous year).

    AMC probably should commission a spin off of Mad Men to not get shut out when Saul wraps lmao.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    Showtime might have a visibility issue. They don’t have ONE big water cooler show that everyone HAS to watch and talk about. Like someone else said, their shows have become too niche.

    Homeland and Shameless use to be shows like this, but they kind of faded in their later seasons and are both ending now. The days of Dexter and Weeds have been long gone.

    On Becoming a God in Central Florida and Kidding both deserve to be in the Emmy conversation this year, but I fear not enough people/voters have seen them. Idk if this is a marketing issue on Showtime’s part.

    Showtime needs to get a major movie star lead for their next big series and have it have more of a massive appeal.

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    Showtime might have a visibility issue. They don’t have ONE big water cooler show that everyone HAS to watch and talk about. Like someone else said, their shows have become too niche. Homeland and Shameless use to be shows like this, but they kind of faded in their later seasons and are both ending now. The days of Dexter and Weeds have been long gone. On Becoming a God in Central Florida and Kidding both deserve to be in the Emmy conversation this year, but I fear not enough people/voters have seen them. Idk if this is a marketing issue on Showtime’s part. Showtime needs to get a major movie star lead for their next big series and have it have more of a massive appeal.

    Or just get Edie Falco or Bryan Cranston (or both) to be in a show on their network.

    Hang on :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Honor_(miniseries)

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    Actually watch out for Kirsten Dunst. I know for a fact voters are watching On Becoming a God in Central Florida and they like it. I don’t know how many of them watch but those who do praise her. Don’t act surprised to see her getting nominated in July.

    If the show was in Comedy her nomination wouldn’t be surprising but her cracking the top 6 in drama would be SHOCKING

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