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In analysis, do you think GOT failed in FYC campaigns or placement/submissions?

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  • Kellyemm
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    Thinking about this.

    Obviously there is the factor of having never won before, but they’ve also never had this many noms.

    I think if the rules were different Headey would have made a great guest submission.

    I’m okay with the Allen self submission, I don’t think he was ever going to be a front runner, am confused as to why they wouldn’t actively have FYC’d Van Houten as it may well have given her more edge.

    I think they did Christie a disservice not submitting her in the first place.

    I do wonder if Dinklage could have gone up in lead as well and given Porter a run for his money and cleared the way for Coster Waldau who would have been fairly strong in his own right.

    In writing I am a big believer that episode 2 of GoT was terrific compared to the finale and leading a focused campaign around that with Coster Waldau and Williams and Christie might have worked.

    Not really sure about why they didn’t go hard or go home with The Long Night at the end of the day.

    I think Clarke would have lost anyway if Comer could overcome a vote split.

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    Rachel
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    GoT didn’t campaign really at all… However, they should’ve submitted Cogman for writing instead of D&D and left Sophie Turner out of the SA race.

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    Luca
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    Yes, HBO didn’t campaign as they probably should have – “Lena Headey has never won an Emmy, and this is your last chance to reward her” should have been similiar to Netflix’s Claire Foy campaign, but they had 4 actresses in that category and I am not sure choosing a favorite would have been fair – but I just don’t think the actors’ branch likes this show all that much. Dinklage was already established as a favorite early on, immediately actually, while it took sort of ages for the others to get in.

    I will never stop complaining about the fact that they made a huge mistake by not recognizing Headey’s work. And my fear is that it just wasn’t ever showy enough. Maybe we (Gold Derby) remembered her performance after every season, but voters didn’t. Maybe they didn’t even come to realize how magnificent her work was in “Mother’s Mercy,” “The Winds of Winter,” “The Dragon and the Wolf” and “The Bells.” And we can’t use vote-splitting as the only factor because she didn’t even have that last year, plus rookie nominee Jodie Comer was able to overcome 10-time nominee Sandra freakin’ Oh.

    I really have no decent explanation. It just makes me very sad.

    Oscar FYC - Lupita Nyong'o & Elisabeth Moss ("Us") - Best Actress & Supporting Actress. It must happen; otherwise the Tethered are coming.

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    mafro987
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    Of course. I thought we already established the GOT submissions rationale was unclear? They held some viewing parties in LA prior to nominations but the final phase campaigning wasn’t great either.

    For Your Consideration:

    Best International Feature: Instinct (The Netherlands)
    Best Actress: Carice van Houten (Instinct)

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    petka_sveta
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    If they wanted Emmy for directing they should’ve submitted only Sapochnik.

    It was never realistic to expect Emmy for writing. Cogman would’t do anything either. I don’t think that episode where characters are preparing for battle and talking about the past is some extraordinary writing achievement that would win. But maybe he would have been nominated.

    GoT already swept in 2015 and 2016. For that to happen again they needed universal praise. And maybe even that wouldn’t be enough. Succession as winer in writing category just makes more sense, no matter how much I would love to see internet loose their mind with Benioff and Weiss winning. They already had 2 Emmys for writing. It’s enough.

     

    And when it comes to actors if Lena couldn’t win last year with no competition from GoT and great material it didn’t make sense to expect her this year.

    GoT was blockbuster. The fact that it was even recognized this much is extraordinary.

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    petka_sveta
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    Lena was great and she created iconic character. Together with Benioff and Weiss. Yes, with those evil hacks. Because they gave depth to that character that books never did. And book purits hated that since S1 lol

    But maybe expecting her to win an emmy was naive, just like Harry Potter fans expected Rickman to win Oscar after DH part 2. Or how now MCU fans expect Oscar for RDJ.

    She was always great but I think the nature of GoT with so many characters and storylines never gave her or anyone else that much material and screentime compared to other typical drama shows.

    Peter won because his character had range. From comic relief to dramatic moments. He showed everything this season. Every possible emotion that character can show. Other characters never had the same opportunity so they needed far more screentime to be award worthy.

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    Stegeo
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    Lena was great and she created iconic character. Together with Benioff and Weiss. Yes, with those evil hacks. Because they gave depth to that character that books never did. And book purits hated that since S1 lol

    But maybe expecting her to win an emmy was naive, just like Harry Potter fans expected Rickman to win Oscar after DH part 2. Or how now MCU fans expect Oscar for RDJ.

    She was always great but I think the nature of GoT with so many characters and storylines never gave her or anyone else that much material and screentime compared to other typical drama shows.

    Peter won because his character had range. From comic relief to dramatic moments. He showed everything this season. Every possible emotion that character can show. Other characters never had the same opportunity so they needed far more screentime to be award worthy.

    I agree with all of this but the HP/MCU comparison. That one is pure delusion. Lena has been an Emmy nominee for multiple years. But I agree overall.

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    HBO got what it needed out of “Game of Thrones,” so there wasn’t a “reason” on their part to actively campaign for anyone for a departed series. I’ll never look at them the same way again for not bothering or giving a damn to submit Allen, Christie, and van Houten. Half-assed explanations of “we didn’t want the internal competition” don’t cut it when van Houten didn’t have internal competition. It was the height of laziness, arrogance, and greed. So sure, many other iterations could have transpired to maybe solicit acting wins beyond Dinklage if HBO actually gave a shit about campaigning, but those are long reaches. Most were never going to win regardless (NCW, Harrington, Headey, Turner), or the nomination was the reward (Allen, Christie, Turner). I’d like to think that a case could have been made for Clarke with the right campaign. At least the writers and directors rightfully moved on from Dumb & Dumber years ago.

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    Kellyemm
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    I don’t think that episode where characters are preparing for battle and talking about the past is some extraordinary writing achievement that would win. But maybe he would have been nominated. GoT already swept in 2015 and 2016.

    It was pretty well loved and I think Cogman did a better job than he’s given credit for tying up things in a “if they die tomorrow” bow. Is it groundbreaking on an all time level? No, but I don’t think Succession’s winning episode is either (And I goddamn love Succession).

    As a side note: Do you think they have any chance or any point at the Golden Globes? Is it worth them actually campaigning/submitting someone specifically in Supporting Actress?

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    Sean C
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    GoT didn’t campaign really at all… However, they should’ve submitted Cogman for writing instead of D&D and left Sophie Turner out of the SA race.

    Turner had been submitted the last several seasons and had more material in Season 8 than Christie or especially Headey, so it would have been an enormous snub not to submit her (not to mention that she would have submitted herself anyway, almost certainly).

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    I don’t know everyone that HBO’s submitted in the past, but I know they’ve made more than their fair share of mistakes when it comes to submitting Game of Throne’s actors. A lot of potential guest nominees such as Charles Dance in the first season, Carice van Houten in the seventh season, and Rory McCann in the sixth season weren’t sent in. Then I recall that they submitted Jack Gleason as supporting for the fourth season, when he was in 3 episodes, one of them as a corpse. Alfie Allen I believe was only ever submitted by HBO for the second season, despite him giving critically acclaimed work throughout the series. There’s probably some more examples that I can’t think of off the top of my head.

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