Inside the Heads of Emmy Voters

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[Daniel Montgomery Joined: May 14th, 2011 Topics: 299 Posts: 2478 View Predictions]

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Interesting to read. Not surprised by the antipathy towards “Carlos.” When it only got nominations for Ramirez and directing, it seemed like the TV Academy was making a point of it. Here is not only the most acclaimed miniseries of the year, but one of the most acclaimed films in any medium, and they passed it over for “The Pillars of the Earth” and “The Kennedys.” I personally didn’t love the miniseries — liked it, but not all of it — but surprised voters rejected such a highbrow, high-profile work of cinema when they usually fawn over the folks who come over from moviedom (i.e. Kate Winslet, Maggie Smith, Guy Pearce, Gwyneth Paltrow, Martin Scorsese, etc.).

Also funny to learn that the voter who picked Barry Pepper was confused between the “Kennedys” stars. Did he think Barry Pepper played JFK? I’d be surprised if such confusion was widespread, but wouldn’t it be funny if it was. Maybe they thought he played Jackie. 

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[psychadelicboy33 Joined: Nov 3rd, 2010 Topics: 3 Posts: 1274 View Predictions]

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Very intresting to hear this, (especially about the voter who voted for Hollland Taylor last year !) and thanks for sharing Beausalant!

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[Emmyfan Joined: Nov 26th, 2010 Topics: 74 Posts: 4454 View Predictions]

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Thanks for sharing this info.  Do you have their votes for last year?

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[Emmyfan Joined: Nov 26th, 2010 Topics: 74 Posts: 4454 View Predictions]

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Interesting to read. Not surprised by the antipathy towards “Carlos.” When it only got nominations for Ramirez and directing, it seemed like the TV Academy was making a point of it. Here is not only the most acclaimed miniseries of the year, but one of the most acclaimed films in any medium, and they passed it over for “The Pillars of the Earth” and “The Kennedys.” I personally didn’t love the miniseries — liked it, but not all of it — but surprised voters rejected such a highbrow, high-profile work of cinema when they usually fawn over the folks who come over from moviedom (i.e. Kate Winslet, Maggie Smith, Guy Pearce, Gwyneth Paltrow, Martin Scorsese, etc.).

Also funny to learn that the voter who picked Barry Pepper was confused between the “Kennedys” stars. Did he think Barry Pepper played JFK? I’d be surprised if such confusion was widespread, but wouldn’t it be funny if it was. Maybe they thought he played Jackie. 

 

This is very interesting in how the decision to pick Julianna over Moss boiled down to the writing of the episode and not the performance. 

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[Daniel Montgomery Joined: May 14th, 2011 Topics: 299 Posts: 2478 View Predictions]

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Thanks again for all this information, beausalant!

I’m still not entirely clear on the Moss/Margulies difference. Why is Moss’s performance necessarily less realistic just because she’s on a period drama dominated by men? Whether one actor is the true lead on a female-driven show seems like a different issue. How does that affect the realism of their performances?

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I think what this tells us is that numerous members of the Academy are not well-informed.

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[Emmyfan Joined: Nov 26th, 2010 Topics: 74 Posts: 4454 View Predictions]

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This is gonna be a long post.

 

Interesting points from all of you. I will address every question in one post.

 

Margulies/Moss – I don’t think it was as much decided by writing as it was performance. Moss is a younger woman on a show dominated by men. Her srtuggles with her relationship are clearly going to be less realistic than Margulies, who is the true lead on a female driven show that is ABOUT her problems with the men in her life. Also, The Good Wife is set in modern times, which makes it much more relatable. 

 

 

The Kennedys – Let me better explain that. He disliked Carlos a lot and felt that Idris Elba had a better shot in his other category. Liked The Kennedys the best and didn’t pay attention to who played which character.

 

Their rankings for 2011 (which I should have put in the original post) were:

#1: Parsons, Galecki, LeBlanc, CK, Carell, Baldwin

#2: Pepper, Kinnear, Fishburne, Elba, Hurt, Ramirez

#3 Lead Actress: Margulies, Moss, Britton, Hargitay, Bates, Enos

#3 Supp. Actor: Ferguson, Burrell, O’Neill, Cryer, Stonestreet, Colfer

#4: Plimpton, Poehler, McCarthy, Falco, Linney, Fey

 

I’ve been discussing Emmy’s with these four since 2007 so I have their rankings (which took me a while to find on my computer) for every yeay between.

 

2010:

#1 (Lead Comedy Actor): Shalhoub, Parsons, Baldwin, David, Morrison, Carell

#2 (Supp. Comedy Actress): Taylor, Krakowski, Bowen, Lynch, Vergara, Wiig

#3 (Lead Drama Actor): Laurie, Hall, Hamm, Cranston, Fox, Chandler

#4 (Supp. Mini Actor): Strathairn, Goodman, Pryce, Stewart, Gambon

 

2009:

#1 (Lead Comedy Actress): Parker, Silverman, Collette, Applegate, Fey, Dreyfus

#2 (Lead Drama Actor): Hamm, Cranston, Hall, Laurie, Baker, Byrne

#3 (Supp. Comedy Actor): Morgan, McBrayer, Cryer, Wilson, Harris, Dillon

#4 (Guest Comedy Actress): Fey, Stritch, Aniston, Baranski, Rowlands, White

 

2008 (they all had comedy, very rare occurence):

#1 (Supp. Comedy Actor): Harris, Piven, Wilson, Dillon, Cryer

#2 (Lead Comedy Actress): Applegate, Fey, Ferrera, Parker, Dreyfus

#3 (Guest Comedy Actor): Arnett, Torn, Conway, Buscemi, Berman

#4 (Supp. Comedy Actor): Wilson, Harris, Cryer, Piven, Dillon

 

2007:

#1 (Lead Drama Actress): Falco, Sedgwick, Field, Hargitay, Driver, Arquette

#2 (Supp. Comedy Actor): Dillon, Piven, Cryer, Wilson, Harris

#3 (Supp. Drama Actor): O’Quinn, Imperioli, Emerson, Shatner, Oka, Knight

#4 (Supp. Comedy Actress): Perkins, Ferrell, Pressley, Williams, Fischer, Taylor

 

They were voters before that but that was before I knew them.

 

 

Thank you for sharing this information Beausalant.  Do you think that you will get the opportunity to help them cast their votes in the future?

 

When our predictions do not win, we all wonder what were the voters thinking when they cast their vote.  You were able to provide some of that insight of why the voters voted the way they did in 2011.  A lot of us try to predict winners a lot based on range and impact and to a certain extent – screentime.  This insight shows us that the voters do not consider this. 

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[Emmyfan Joined: Nov 26th, 2010 Topics: 74 Posts: 4454 View Predictions]

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T. Beau,

Can you ask your voter friends if they voted in the 2005 Lead Actress in a Comedy when Marcia Cross, Felicity Huffman, Terri Hatcher, Patricia Heaton and Jane Kaczmarek were nominated?  If they did, can you ask if they remember their votes.

Also, ask if they voted in 2004 Supporting Actress in a Comedy when Cynthia Nixon, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis, Megan Mullaly and Doris Roberts were nominated.

Thanks so much.

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Thanks for sharing all of this!

Also, it’s good to know that tapes really don’t play a part in voters minds. 

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