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May 16, 2019 at 1:54 am #1202895887
Sure, it was from the beginning and still is the distant frontrunner for Drama Series, but the universal disappointment of the final season had me thinking: will the academy really give GoT the main award for such criticized season?
I mean there is even a silly but big petition to remake the final season. People are actively upset.
Ratings from viewers on IMDB and from critics on Rotten Tomatoes are the lowest since the beginning.
Even celebrities are openly criticizing D&D so the industry could be withdrawing its support.
Look at the two examples. S6 of House of Cards was panned and it’s not expected to get a Series nom even with the narration “stick it to Kevin Spacey and support Robin Wright”. A couple of years ago the second season of True Detective faced similar backlash and it was almost completely dropped in nominations so Emmys react to this type of things. Of course either one ever won Series and I’m not saying that Game of Thrones won’t be nominated. This is the lockest lock. But can it still win?
If there was any relatively strong contender (BLL, THT) I would probably change my prediction. But we have a lackluster cycle. Better Call Saul had a great season and it would be an inspired choice but no one is talking about it. Killing Eve is still good, but the buzz has decreased since its breakout first year.
So do you think if there is a possibility that Game of Thrones won’t win and what could do it possibly instead?
May 16, 2019 at 1:59 am #1202895890
- This topic was modified 6 days, 4 hours ago by furbul.
First of all it’s not universal disappointment. It’s still like 65 to 35. It’s just that these 35% are more vocal about it.
Even the worst GOT season is still better than all drama on TV.May 16, 2019 at 2:04 am #1202895893
Yes, I’m aware not everyone hate this season. This is why I used “disappoinment” as in some degree of let down. Not living up to the high expectations. There is a general feeling of this kind.May 16, 2019 at 2:10 am #1202895897
It’s still winning, there’s no competition. If the Crown, or BLL, or THT were eligible, it’d be a different story. And here’s what I said in the other thread:
I think it might weaken its chances in writing and directing – it’s getting more than one directing nomination regardless, but the series finale may be snubbed – but otherwise it’ll still dominate. It has the technical categories in the bag, the actors will still do well (they aren’t part of the controversy), and the show will still win Drama Series. I am not worried at all. It might be awkward when it wins though, depending on how the finale plays out.
Emmys 2019 FYC: Lena Headey ("Game of Thrones"), Cicely Tyson ("HTGAWM"), Viola Davis ("HTGAWM"), Richard Madden ("Bodyguard"), "Bodyguard," "The Haunting of Hill House" & "Escape at Dannemora" in all categoriesMay 16, 2019 at 2:11 am #1202895899
As much as a lot of people are disappointed from this season, it’s still better than anything else on TV, at least in my opinion.
Moreover, I agree with Emil that’s it’s a clear case of a really loud minority.
In my experience some people like this season, some don’t- but personally I don’t know anyone (from my circle, at least) that thinks this season is actually as terrible as the internet makes it to be, even if they don’t think it’s that superb. That whole “disastrous season that ruined the show” is completely a hyperbole.
I choose not to be 100% certain in a win though, so I won’t be heavily disappointed, but I trust the actual professionals on the Academy to not pay attention to internet memes. As you said, there’s not so much competition this year.May 16, 2019 at 2:18 am #1202895905
Yes, imo this year’s drama field is simply to weak (some of them in terms of quality, some of them in terms of buzz/hype etc.) and there is no real competition for GOT.
Killing Eve is too wild and bizzare (even by the show’s standards) to be a real competition. I won’t be surprised if this year will be the only year where they will get a nom for best drama.
Better Call Saul – the show always offers a quality stuff, but it’s almost too low-key to beat GOT.
Ozark – I don’t think so.
Succession could be the dark horse, but again…I just don’t see it.
so yeah, Game of Thrones imo will win this.May 16, 2019 at 3:03 am #1202895947
All of this is pending the finale of course, but I no longer think that the show will win Writing or Directing or occupy the elusive third slot in the latter. If anything can beat Game of Thrones in series and I do not think that anything can, my guess is Bodyguard, but it needs to get nominated first and prove that it was not just a Globes thing.
A point that I have not really seen raised is that maybe Game of Thrones winning Series last year without winning Writing, Directing, Casting, Cinematography or Editing (and with only four Acting nominations instead of six) was not demonstrative of the series being strong enough to win no matter what, but a sign that it was running on fumes.
Consider Mad Men. The fourth time that it won Series, the only other award that it collected was Hairstyling. Like Game of Thrones last year, it faced formidable competitors. Friday Night Lights took Writing and Lead Actor. Boardwalk Empire took Directing and swept the Creative Arts (plus PGA and SAG, among others). That was a year when even the dramas that were snubbed for Series were strong. Justified won Supporting Actress and was nominated in three other acting categories. The Killing was nominated for Writing, Directing, Lead Actress, Supporting Actress, Casting and Editing.
We erroneously interpreted Mad Men‘s narrow victory as meaning that the show was pretty much unbeatable, so it was the odds-on frontrunner the next year in Series for its fifth season, even after it was shut out at the Creative Arts. We were of course dead wrong and it would not win another Emmy in any category until its series finale.
Much has been said about how lacking Game of Thrones‘ competition is this year, but how much does that really matter? The lack-of-competition argument gets raised all the time in the nominating phase, but we see contenders fall dramatically. Rami Malek won Drama Lead Actor, then could not even make a field of seven the next year because suddenly, nobody cared about Mr. Robot anymore. How do you go from first to eighth or lower just like that? Or there was that time that Jim Parsons won his fourth Emmy while The Big Bang Theory was one of the six Comedy Series nominees. The next year, both Comedy Series and Comedy Lead Actor expanded to seven, so The Big Bang Theory should have easily returned to both categories, but the Emmys were just done with it. In these situations, it did not really matter what the competition was. They were just voting for anything else.
Going back to Mad Men, the first year that it lost Series, it was literally the only Drama Series nominee that did not win an Emmy that year. Could it be that it was actually in last place that year because the Emmys were just done with it? It is possible.
The Handmaid’s Tale was so strong two years ago and going into the main ceremony last year, it still seemed really competitive, but in hindsight, it does not really seem like it was close to repeating at all. It seemed to get beaten by a different show in just about every category. I and many others figured that it had a substantial base that would just continue by rote to vote for it, but it really crumbled.
So much of Game of Thrones‘ unbeatable-frontrunner status is based on assumptions that have proved to be faulty for other shows in similar positions. Its Series win last year might have been one that it got on its last legs. It might not matter if competition was steeper last year than this year. It might not be that there are many voters who will stick with the show through thick and thin.May 16, 2019 at 3:08 am #1202895955
Yes, it’s gonna win on a landslide.May 16, 2019 at 4:02 am #1202895977
I still have GoT 1st in my predictions based on the high production values and the cultural phenomenon thing. But it’s not as big of a lock as most people expected it to be. When the nominations are announced, we will get a much better picture on the competition. Which show unexpectedly explodes in terms of nominations?
Better Call Saul Season 4 has the highest critical acclaim in the race based on its score on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes. Ozark has the strong guild performance going for it. However, they lack buzz and passion, so I doubt they can be a threat for the big price. I do expect both to get a fair amount of nominations, though.
Killing Eve and Bodyguard are the shiny new things with lots of buzz and good reviews. I also wouldn’t underestimate the star power Sandra Oh and Richard Madden can bring. Both have been very visible in the past few weeks and IMO they are the front runners to take Lead Acting.
Of course both shows are real dark horses. Killing Eve only exploded after the Emmys 2018, where it got just a few nominations. The question is will voters watch Season 2 and will they like it enough to give it lots of nominations? Same question needs to be asked for Bodyguard. If one of these two explodes in nominations, they might be a threat for the win. Especially Bodyguard, which has the stronger network to back it up and they have been pushing it hard. Nomination announcement day will be very interesting indeed.
To sum it up, it’s too early in the race to say if anything can beat GoT, but my best guess would be Bodyguard.May 16, 2019 at 4:08 am #1202895980
Don’t forget that GoT might have lost Writing and Directing last year, but it still won a total of 9 Emmys, only 3 less than the all-times history record 12.
That’s still shows a degree of supportMay 16, 2019 at 4:13 am #1202895984
I’m sorry but to put the Writing and Directing in the same catogry is just…
OK, writing was a let down, but the Directing was TOP. And I mean like AMAZING. The Bells will, and should be nominated and win.May 16, 2019 at 5:18 am #1202896040
Like some said, it depends on the finale. The things it deserves so far is Drama Actress (Emilia Clarke) and Drama Supporting Actress (Lena Headey). Maybe Directing for The Bells, too.
Lena Headey hasn't got an Emmy for Game of Thrones????? Emmys you need to win her right now!!May 16, 2019 at 5:27 am #1202896051
I’m sorry but to put the Writing and Directing in the same catogry is just… OK, writing was a let down, but the Directing was TOP. And I mean like AMAZING. The Bells will, and should be nominated and win.
Maybe, but I could definitely see McKay winning instead.May 16, 2019 at 5:41 am #1202896079
Or there was that time that Jim Parsons won his fourth Emmy while The Big Bang Theory was one of the six Comedy Series nominees. The next year, both Comedy Series and Comedy Lead Actor expanded to seven, so The Big Bang Theory should have easily returned to both categories, but the Emmys were just done with it.
I feel like this might be This Is Us this year. So many returning nominees are not back this time, therefore it seems like it won’t have a hard time returning. Game of Thrones, Ozark, and Better Call Saul are surefire nominees, and I struggle to make the case for which of the freshman shows will not make the cut. The show was coming off a SAG Ensemble win, yet Mandy Moore, Chrissy Metz, and Justin Hartley failed to score nominations, and it was still not nominated in writing. Only reason why I’m not dropping it is because PGA nominated it for the first time, and it again won SAG Ensemble.
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