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    Piper Halliwell
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    No, I am pointing out how you as a Sandra fan thinks she deserves to win over everyone else always, and how that has nothing to do with what material she gets . Your whole post claimed that the only reason she didn’t win in s2 is because she got weak material than her co star. But in s1 she got rlly strong material in a strong season, that nabbed her three industry awards, (while her ” blonde white, co star” wasn’t nominated for anything), but lost the Emmy in a highly competitive category. So I think that while it’s natural for a super fan to always want their fav to win and think all awards belong to them, it has nothing to do with consensus winners.

    It’s easier to suggest that I am a biased fan than to see through my points and understand the complexity of Hollywood racism. Sandra Oh was a consensus choice more than once at the Emmy Awards. You simply cannot deny this. At least three times she was the front-runner (twice for Grey’s Anatomy and once for Killing Eve). But I would even dare to say that when Claire Foy won, many people expected Sandra to be the winner as well, since Claire herself began her thank-you speech by mentioning Oh. And then who knows how close she was to victory for Saturday Night Live too. If you don’t see how many opportunities they had to reward her in a completely fair way and on the merits, it’s on you.

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    She was a front runner due to the overdue narrative and relatively weaker drama competition in 2019, since no one expected her costar to win including the experts on GD. We can just agree to disagree that her emmy losses 10 years after grey’s anatomy are due to racism, even tho she won sag and globes for the same show, and not because other performers in her category outperformed her both years.

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    She was a front runner due to the overdue narrative and relatively weaker drama competition in 2019, since no one expected her costar to win including the experts on GD. We can just agree to disagree that her emmy losses 10 years after grey’s anatomy are due to racism, even tho she won sag and globes for the same show, and not because other performers in her category outperformed her both years.

    Yeah, yeah, she didn’t happen to be the front-runner based on merit (how could she?!), only Jodie Comer won the award based on merit, and because she was clearly better than Oh. And then I’m the biased one. It’s so much more complex than this, but I honestly said everything I wanted to say, so I rest my case.

    All the best!

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    I am just repeating what was said on various awards forums in regards  to why sandra was the frontrunner in run up to emmys, weaker drama field and overdue status.  Amc network president said jodie winning was an upset and that they expected Sandra to win just like everyone else. So the whole they wrote the season to favor jodie is also funny to me.

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    Gold derby saw two options, and two options only. Emilia win due to vote splitting or Sandra via well overdue. Passion votes trumped all.

    Katherine Heigl’s should have went to Sandra Oh
    Claire Foy’s should have went to Keri Russel
    Jodie Comer’s should of went to Jodie Comer
    It is a shame Sandra’s writing gone down the drain, Comer deserves nevertheless.

    Let’s talk killing eve. My favourite show of 2018, on every occasion I will have the urge to defend it.

    Why won’t GD accept it’s good? “Garbage” “a fad” “fluke” “overrated”. Deemed a flop dead on arrival in the Drama thread. Regulars were quick to denounce that. I know it’s not happening and we are here to talk about critically acclaimed shows but a show doesn’t need to be excellent to get in. Whenever it’s brought up I see people dismiss it chances like its piss in the wind.

    Sandra Oh definitely should have won over Heigl in 2007, but Sandra also had strong submissions in 2006 and would have made a great winner over Blythe Danner in Huff.

    The winner in 2019 should not have been Comer or Oh, but Viola Davis. Davis had the best submission of the bunch. However, I was rooting for Oh or Robin Wright from House of Cards

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    Season >> Tape

    Any episode Viola submits is a winner but a scouser playing a Russian faking an American accent and when the accent slips it sounds Russian during a contained mental breakdown is pretty hard to beat.

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    I totally agree with you, Piper Haliwell. I get what you’re saying. You get what I’m saying. It’s sad though that there are people who have no idea what we’re talking about or are so biased they can’t understand. When white actors win = merit, when non-white actors win = honorary or lifetime achievement award or overdue narrative. I feel like I lost brain cells in this conversation.

    By the way, I just want to emphasize that the Golden Globe is not anywhere near as prestigious as the other awards. In fact, I resent that BBC America/AMC used “Golden Globe Winner Sandra Oh” instead of “Screen Actors Guild Award Winner” or “Critics Choice Winner”, which to me are far more prestigious than some 90 foreign journalists picking winners. HFPA is an organization that has way too much clout and influence in picking winners, and they’ve been repeatedly mocked and ridiculed. However, there is no easy way to dislodge the GG from its lofty perch. Olivia Colman attended and won at the GG, but didn’t even attend the CC and SAG awards, so even among those in the industry, because the GG is televised and has high ratings, they consider the GG to be the better award show to attend.

    The Emmy is the most prestigious television award, and voters are all in the industry. GG is nowhere near comparable to the Emmy.

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    Sandra Oh is the only drama actress to sweep CC, Globes and SAG in a single year. Overdue narratives don’t get you that. Every Globe+SAG  actress winner in the last 15 years:

    Drama:

    Sandra Oh KE S1 (lost)
    Claire Foy S1 (won next season)
    Claire Danes S2 (won)
    Julianna Marguiles S1 (won next season)
    Sandra Oh GA S2 (lost)

    Comedy:

    Phoebe Waller Bridge S2 (won)
    Rachel Brosnahan S2 (won for S1)
    Tina Fey S2 and S3 (won for S2)
    America Ferrera S1 (won)

    Oh’s losses are more complicated than people want to accept, because then they have to come face to face with an inherent and rather unpleasant truth.

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    Oh loses with good or bad writing but sure her loss is only due to racism and any white actresses who wins against her didn’t deserve   it.

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    I didn’t say that and I’ve already discussed this in the past but it is clear by this point that this discussion is beyond you.

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    Hey, wait. Let’s just sit with what we heard? -Marion 2002

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    “Oh’s losses are more complicated than people want to accept”

    To me her losses are no more complicated than her just not having the performances both those years. Different strokes. I hope she finally gives an Emmy winning performance soon enough so the myriad complications are laid to rest

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    Oh loses with good or bad writing but sure her loss is only due to racism and any white actresses who wins against her didn’t deserve it.

    “Oh’s losses are more complicated than people want to accept” To me her losses are no more complicated than her just not having the performances both those years. Different strokes. I hope she finally gives an Emmy winning performance soon enough so the myriad complications are laid to rest

    Honestly, you sound incredibly ignorant. There have been arguments that are not worth countering, yet you keep pushing the “her performance wasn’t enough” thing when who had the best performance wasn’t embossed on the issue.

    But anyway, the amount of undeserved awards that white actors take away at every awards ceremony is a much bigger problem than if Sandra had won an Emmy with her front-runner status after ten nominations and after she should have won a long time ago. Period.

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    I’m still predicting a Series, Lead Actress x2 and Writing nom. Once I watch the whole season then I’ll decide whether to remove Oh or not and Series. However, I still definitely see a Writing nomination happening. Comer is gonna have to be awful to not get a nomination

    FYC Emmys-
    Limited-
    UNBELIEVABLE, Quiz, Years and Years, Defending Jacob in all Categories
    Merritt Wever, Toni Collette, Matthew Macfadyen, Emma Thompson, Chris Evans & Michelle Dockery

    Drama-
    STRANGER THINGS, The Morning Show, Big Little Lies, The Crown, Killing Eve
    - Jennifer Aniston, VIOLA DAVIS, Jodie Comer, Sandra Oh, Nicole Kidman, Olivia Colman
    - FIONA SHAW, HBC

    Comedy-
    SCHITTS CREEK, Dead to Me, Sex Education
    - Catherine O’Hara, Annie Murphy, Christina Applegate, Linda Ca

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    Comer is gonna have to be awful to not get a nomination

    I just don’t understand this logic. It’s a competitive category filled with great performances on shows the Emmys like. What makes you so certain she’s locked? Because she won last year?

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