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    mafro987
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    You mean like the actors in the Screen Actors Guild?

    Ah yes, the group that snubbed her for her countless Emmy winning roles and Oscar winning role. Clearly that should be taken with a pinch of salt, especially as she was competing in a completely different category.

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    I love how *everyone* cherrypicks the facts of precursors based on who their favorite is and what argument they are trying to win.

    There’s no reason King missed out on SAG. I know the Golden Globes practically factor into the Emmys, but missing even a nomination there in the same year as an Oscar win is bizarre and a show of no-confidence. Her show was hot while voting was underway for both SAG and GG.

    Maybe the Regina King-Watchmen buzz is even more concentrated in a Twitter-type bubble than we even know.

    It’s the strangest of comparisons but: Colman in The Crown > King in Watchmen
    I’d rather have a performance that’s occasionally flawed but occasionally brilliant than a performance that’s never flawed but never brilliant

    I know I originally, just 5 minutes ago, debated and came down on the other side, but I’m switching my preference back. You have a point.

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    I would have been flamed for a such statement, so I will combat it: Yes, King has the backing of critics for “Watchmen,” but King neither competed in the limited actress field (where she would have lost to Williams) nor against Blanchett. Critics are also singing Blanchett’s praises and Mrs. America is much more accessible than Watchmen, I assume. And what proof do we really have that actors have taken to this particular performance? A SAG nom? I don’t think so. I totally get where you’re coming from because you’re referring to her three Emmy wins, which makes a whole lot of sense, but I don’t see how you can say that she has the backing from actors for this very project when we have no proof for it (so far).

    Oh, and critics don’t matter. They aren’t voting for the Emmys.

    Critics do matter Luca. This has already been established and I can’t be bothered to rehash this debate.

    And once again you fail to actually address my comments directly. I said ‘it depends on whether they find Blanchett more deserving or not’, implying that there is every chance they find Blanchett undeniable and give her the win.

    This is anecdotal information but still relevant: Zoe Kazan, who is giving a remarkable performance on The Plot Against America (another show I assume you haven’t been watching), recently responded to her Emmy buzz with ‘this is very kind, but all Emmys are being rightfully mailed to Regina King this year’. The notion that King is overrated or unworthy is purely a Gold Derby fantasy.

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    Best International Feature: Instinct (The Netherlands)
    Best Actress: Carice van Houten (Instinct)

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    This is anecdotal information but still relevant: Zoe Kazan, who is giving a remarkable performance on The Plot Against America (another show I assume you haven’t been watching), recently responded to her Emmy buzz with ‘this is very kind, but all Emmys are being rightfully mailed to Regina King this year’. The notion that King is overrated or is unworthy is purely a Gold Derby fantasy.

    Yes, thanks for the *anecdotal* evidence. It’s very convincing.

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    The notion that King is overrated or unworthy is purely a Gold Derby fantasy.

    No, it’s an opinion. One people are allowed to have even though the internet would say otherwise.

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    The King haters do this every year, it’s so… tired at this point.  It’s always the same criticisms, “she didn’t really do anything remarkable”, “she keeps winning for similar performances”. Yawn.

    Part of it probably stems from the fact that she regurlarly beats their faves lol. Sarah Paulson, Jean Smart (ha!), Laura Dern and Amy Adams. It’s not her fault she’s beloved by these awards bodies! Either y’all just get over it or remain pressed as per usual 🙂

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    So saying King is solid but perhaps not deserving of the win is now hating? I can’t sometimes with these forums. It’s just a normal opinion. It isn’t hating. She’s a phenomenal actress, but IMO she just happens to be overpraised sometimes – but maybe that’s just my point of view.

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    Yes, thanks for the *anecdotal* evidence. It’s very convincing.

    So we shouldn’t value an Emmy-nominated professional actor’s opinion, but should listen to people who clearly feel that King is overrated? Kazan is completely unbiased as a competitor in King’s category, whereas the people in this thread have made it clear that they’re biased (yes, including me).

    You all need to take your biases out of the equation. King has never needed the support of SAG to win major awards. She is loved in the industry, her show is strong, and she has critical backing.

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    Best International Feature: Instinct (The Netherlands)
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    The King haters do this every year, it’s so… tired at this point. It’s always the same criticisms, “she didn’t really do anything remarkable”, “she keeps winning for similar performances”. Yawn.

    Part of it probably stems from the fact that she regurlarly beats their faves lol. Sarah Paulson, Jean Smart (ha!), Laura Dern and Amy Adams. It’s not her fault she’s beloved by these awards bodies! Either y’all just get over it or remain pressed as per usual 🙂

    Nah, you can’t just reduce non-agreeing opinions as haters or as begrudged fans of other actresses. I like King. She deserved her wins for American Crime and has given great work for decades. However, she doesn’t deserve another win for this, not over the competition. Also, no one has said she is giving similar performances?

    I see no through line between Watchmen, Beale Street, and American Crime. All completely different characters and stories. That’s not the issue. I repeat, she doesn’t deserve to win for the acting performance she gave in Watchmen.

    Maybe there is a greater problem with King *fans* that they go into this line of argument when people voice dissenting opinions and don’t bow in submission to an undeserved, forced coronation.

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    This King v. Blanchett conversation feels premature by about a week lol

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    This King v. Blanchett conversation feels premature by about a week lol

    And actually in general. We have other deserving performers in the race, although it seems to be a King vs. Blanchett battle

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    This King v. Blanchett conversation feels premature by about a week lol

    True, but reviews and the facts on paper do speak volumes. It’s very easy to place them in an Arquette (King) v. Williams (Blanchett) parallel, except Arquette actually won the winter awards (Golden Globe and SAG).

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    Having seen all of the contenders (sans Blanchett) I would vote for Kazan despite the fact that her show still has two episodes to air, and she’s not even in the top 6. There are a lot of worthy performers eligible but the top 6 feels quite locked in, hence why the same few performances are being discussed disproportionately. This is magnified by the fact that 4 of the 6 will likely have vote splitting to contend with.

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    So we shouldn’t value an Emmy-nominated professional actor’s opinion, but should listen to people who clearly feel that King is overrated? Kazan is completely unbiased as a competitor in King’s category, whereas the people in this thread have made it clear that they’re biased (yes, including me).

    You all need to take your biases out of the equation. King has never needed the support of SAG to win major awards. She is loved in the industry, her show is strong, and she has critical backing.

    No shade but you’re the one who literally said that King’s performance in Watchmen has the actor’s support when she wasn’t even nominated at SAG. So you’re basically saying that you think she has the actors support for this particular performance because Zoe Kazan tweeted about it once even though she was ignored by thousands of actors at an actual award show.

    People takes things way too personal sometimes on this forum. It’s not a dig at King to think that Blanchett’s going to win the Emmy. And it’s not a dig at King to think her performance is underserving. You would think the people on this forum that get so riled up about this are actually the people we’re talking about lol. Like is Regina King secretly here defending herself? Get a thicker skin people lol.

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    No shade but you’re the one who literally said that King’s performance in Watchmen has the actor’s support when she wasn’t even nominated at SAG. So you’re basically saying that you think she has the actors support for this particular performance because Zoe Kazan tweeted about it once even though she was ignored by thousands of actors at an actual award show.

    People takes things way too personal sometimes on this forum. It’s not a dig at King to think that Blanchett’s going to win the Emmy. And it’s not a dig at King to think her performance is underserving. You would think the people on this forum that get so riled up about this are actually the people we’re talking about lol. Like is Regina King secretly here defending herself? Get a thicker skin people lol.

    You completely ignored the fact that I said the Kazan reference was anecdotal (implying that I wasn’t basing my entire argument around it), and that Blanchett has every chance of winning.

    The SAG references are exhausting because King has never been nominated for an individual SAG award, but has won 3 Emmys and an Oscar. Please guide me to the evidence that this SAG snub suddenly matters when the previous 4 snubs clearly didn’t matter?

    I also have no reason to take comments personal – I slightly prefer Kazan to her, and a small proportion of forum users not liking King is completely irrelevant anyway. It’s not unreasonable to think that Blanchett herself would vote for King. That’s how loved she is in this industry.

    For Your Consideration:

    Best International Feature: Instinct (The Netherlands)
    Best Actress: Carice van Houten (Instinct)

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