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    Eliza Scanlen to Kaitlyn Dever on nomination day this year

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    The Undoing pushed to fall is more than likely a TV business decision rather than an awards one. Due to coronavirus impacting productions, they won’t have their fall shows (Euphoria) ready and they now need something to fill in the slots. I don’t think it’s related to awards at all.

    I’m not talking solely about award chances but it would be foolish to think that such things don’t factor in scheduling.

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    It’s funny because I think we’ll have a lineup similar to 2017’s in limited actress: two duos (Witherspoon & Washington, Dever & Wever) and two singles from their respective shows (Blanchett and King). I don’t think Kazan is happening with the lack of buzz for TPAA, and Self Made won’t be enough of a player for Octavia Spencer to sneak in. That’s my current prediction. I know Dever is still a bit shaky, but the voting system will help her. They aren’t going to check off Collette and Wever, but not Dever. That’s not how it works anymore; for instance, Patricia Arquette (the more known actress) isn’t going to get in without Joey King for “The Act,” despite the latter being lesser known. Dever plays the main rape victim on the show and gives a heartbreaking performance that earned her Globe and Critics’ Choice bids. And let’s not bring up her age; the TV academy didn’t care about age last year and they won’t this year either.

    I pretty much agree with all of this. I still think Kazan is a potential dark horse because The Plot Against America will only get better as the series progresses and she has great ink. Dever is in much better position, though.  It wouldn’t make any sense for voters to vote for Wever and Collette and not vote for Dever, especially since Dever isn’t even an unknown in the industry anymore. She’s a Globe and BAFTA nominee now and she’s been working pretty steadily for a couple years. That’s not even mentioning that her role is pure bait, unlike someone like Scanlen from last year.

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    That’s not even mentioning that her role is pure bait, unlike someone like Scanlen from last year.

    How is playing a victim of munchausen by proxy and a secret psychopath not pure bait?

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    Eliza Scanlen to Kaitlyn Dever on nomination day this year

    The Eliza Scanlen comparisons need to stop. Dever isn’t Scanlen, and they most certainly aren’t in the same position in their races. For starters, Scanlen’s role was supporting and she played a pretty tough-to-swallow character (I thought it was intriguing, but whatever), while Dever is playing a rape victim and someone you generally feel sorry for. Scanlen’s work was subtle while Dever spends the first episode crying pretty much the entire time. Sharp Object didn’t win any Emmy acting awards because for some odd reason the TV academy prefers showier work (with some exceptions). Plus, Unbelievable has more broad appeal than Sharp Objects and is much more accessible.

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    How is playing a victim of munchausen by proxy and a secret psychopath not pure bait?

    I was one of Scanlen’s biggest supporters last year, but the performance was subtle and understated. And from what I remember, she always had a weird aura to her, but she wasn’t actively acting like a psychopath the entire series. And the munchausen by proxy material wasn’t as baity and in your face as it was in The Act. In fact, the material was a lot better, in terms of being an acting showcase, for Clarkson than it was for Scanlen.

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    Choosing to be subtle and understated doesn’t make it not a baity role though. It’s like how Claire Foy in The Crown is basically the epitome of a controlled performance but that doesn’t mean that the role of The Queen wasn’t pure bait.

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    If Kaitlyn Dever needs to be compared to someone else from last year it should be Joey King not Eliza Scanlen.

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    I’m not talking solely about award chances but it would be foolish to think that such things don’t factor in scheduling.

    Not really in times like this. HBO thinks more keeping its subscribers than Nicole Kidman winning another Emmy.

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    Choosing to be subtle and understated doesn’t make it not a baity role though. It’s like how Claire Foy in The Crown is basically the epitome of a controlled performance but that doesn’t mean that the role of The Queen wasn’t pure bait.

    Oh, come on. We’re not about to compare Foy’s role as The Queen of England to Amma, that’s ridiculous.

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    The Eliza Scanlen comparisons need to stop

    My opinion isn’t stopping no matter how much you want it to, Luca. Opinions are why we’re all here after all.

    I made my case for the comparison the other day so won’t repeat myself but the only thing I’d add is that perhaps I’m the only one around here who can see the parallels because I’m basically the only one it seems who didn’t like either performance. So I can easily see how an Emmy voter could select Wever and Collette but not Dever and it reminds me of when I could see how one could select Adams and Clarkson but not Scanlen.

    No doubt I’m now going to get called biased but thankfully my predictions through the years are right there for anyone to see that I’m not someone who doesn’t predict the performances they dislike.

    Oh, come on. We’re not about to compare Foy’s role as The Queen of England to Amma, that’s ridiculous.

    Stop being so literal. I wasn’t comparing the roles, I was just pointing out your incorrect assessment that a baity role can’t be subtly played. Foy being the easiest example of that from recent years.

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    Stop being so literal. I wasn’t comparing the roles, I was just pointing out your incorrect assessment that a baity role can’t be subtly played. Foy being the easiest example of that from recent years.

    I’d argue you’re the one being literal. You said Amma was a baity role because she was a victim of munchausen by proxy and was a psychopath as if that’s how the character is portrayed throughout the whole series. We didn’t even know she was a psychopath until the end when we found out she was the killer, and the munchausen by proxy wasn’t that prominent, in terms of the extent it was shown in comparison to something like The Act. I’d say Adams had more to do with munchausen by proxy, especially with that last episode, then Scanlen did the whole series.

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    I will light a candle for the Dever and Washington fans to protect them from Helen Mirren riding in to snatch their wigs with her usual filler nomination!

    Missing in the whole Eliza Scanlen-Kaitlin Dever discussion. Unbelievable is less divisive, more watchable, and accessible than the slog that was Sharp Objects.

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    You said Amma was a baity role because she was a victim of munchausen by proxy and was a psychopath as if that’s how the character is portrayed throughout the whole series

    I’d argue it is quite clear through the whole series in Scanlen’s performance but I can see we’re not going to agree on this

    Missing in the whole Eliza Scanlen-Kaitlin Dever discussion. Unbelievable is less divisive, more watchable, and accessible than the slog that was Sharp Objects.

    This is the one argument I can easily get on board with

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    I’d argue it is quite clear through the whole series in Scanlen’s performance but I can see we’re not going to agree on this

    I just don’t see how Scanlen could even be compared to Dever in the slightest.

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