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    Mukund
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    The razzle-dazzle of period pieces usually masks what the crafts are meant to achieve and the faults that come with the failure to achieve that. Little Women’s costumes, for example, were inaccurate both historically and narratively. I wasn’t even aware of the former until some video brought it up. Just because such shows have costumes and sets from decades ago, doesn’t necessarily mean that they are deserving of awards and recognition.

    Normal People, for example, had great costumes, something that I’ve seen mentioned by publications and people who have the knowledge of this craft, both online and in person. The costumes here heighten our understanding of the characters, their backgrounds and the narrative journey they are on. Whether it be Connell’s slightly too tight blazers or Marianne’s bold dressing style when she isn’t with her abusive brother. The understatedeness of the costumes is the power in this case. Here’s a great article on this: Why Normal People has the makings of a fashion classic

    TPAA is also a period piece but it didn’t end up being heavy-handed with the elements of its setting, unlike Hollywood.

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    I thought that The Plot Against America‘s designs were quite bland and easy to be honest. But that’s all they needed to be so that’s fine. Just nothing award worthy. They certainly weren’t better than the majestically precise and enchanting work produced on Hollywood. Feel like people are starting to punish that show for being great to look at. Let’s not forget that production creates instant atmosphere more than pretty much anything else. You can have all the tiny character details you want (and I’m sure Hollywood has plenty as well) but if the essence of the work doesn’t instantly capture a viewer’s attention then what is the point?

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    I thought that The Plot Against America‘s designs were quite bland and easy to be honest. But that’s all they needed to be so that’s fine. Just nothing award worthy. They certainly weren’t better than the majestically precise and enchanting work produced on Hollywood. Feel like people are starting to punish that show for being great to look at. Let’s not forget that production creates instant atmosphere more than pretty much anything else. You can have all the tiny character details you want (and I’m sure Hollywood has plenty as well) but if the essence of the work doesn’t instantly capture a viewer’s attention then what is the point?

    People clearly feel exactly the same way about Hollywood, which you claim had ‘astounding’ production. Nevertheless, the point is that the likelihood of Hollywood’s awards chances does not hinge on the strength of its crafts or its technical ‘achievement’ (very disputable), but on other factors such as greater visibility and a wide-reaching audience.

    For Your Consideration:

    Best International Feature: Instinct (The Netherlands)
    Best Actress: Carice van Houten (Instinct)

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    Nevertheless, the point is that the likelihood of Hollywood’s awards chances does not hinge on the strength of its crafts or its technical ‘achievement’ (very disputable), but on other factors such as greater visibility and a wide-reaching audience.

    I never disputed this.

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    I thought that The Plot Against America‘s designs were quite bland and easy to be honest. But that’s all they needed to be so that’s fine. Just nothing award worthy. They certainly weren’t better than the majestically precise and enchanting work produced on Hollywood. Feel like people are starting to punish that show for being great to look at. Let’s not forget that production creates instant atmosphere more than pretty much anything else. You can have all the tiny character details you want (and I’m sure Hollywood has plenty as well) but if the essence of the work doesn’t instantly capture a viewer’s attention then what is the point?

    I disagree with all of this. The primary aim of production design should not be to “instantly catch the viewer’s attention” but rather to create a fully realised and lived-in world, which The Plot Against America subtly achieved. There are numerous articles and reviews commenting on how accurate the design was on that show. Flashy does not equate to being award-worthy and I would actually argue that one of Hollywood’s biggest problem is that its production failed to create a suitable mood because the show couldn’t even settle on one. Does it want to be campy or a serious drama or something in between? Crafts are there to support most of the time and not overwhelm – instantly being drawn to them isn’t necessarily a great thing.

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    Just watched the first episode of Unbelievable. Fantastic premiere. Kaitlyn Dever was excellent, and I believe that starting the show off with such a huge showcase for removed almost all doubt that I had of her being snubbed. Even if she’s less present in the latter half as some people said on here recently, the first episode should secure the nod.

    Eric Lange, Bill Fagerbakke, and the actress playing her foster mother who helps her move into a new apartment were all also very good. I’m already very excited to continue the series, as the beginning makes you sympathize so much with Dever that I feel like I have to find out what happened as soon as possible. Looking forward to the rest of it.

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    The primary aim of production design should not be to “instantly catch the viewer’s attention” but rather to create a fully realised and lived-in world

    My discussion of an atmosphere was including the notion of a fully realised world. So the only disagreement I think we have on this point is that I believe this should be instant and you do not?

    There are numerous articles and reviews commenting on how accurate the design was on that show

    I am only expressing my opinion on the show’s designs. I am not pretending to be objective (there’s no such thing in television criticism anyway) so there’s no need to bring in other people’s opinions as if they prove me wrong.

    Flashy does not equate to being award-worthy

    I agree. It also does not equate to something not being award-worthy.

    I would actually argue that one of Hollywood’s biggest problem is that its production failed to create a suitable mood because the show couldn’t even settle on one.

    I disagree. I felt that the production captured the mood of optimism and larger than life opulence brilliantly. Again, though, this is just my opinion. Just thought I should say before you started referencing secondary sources once more.

    Crafts are there to support most of the time and not overwhelm – instantly being drawn to them isn’t necessarily a great thing.

    I’d argue in the case of Hollywood the only reason they can be regarded to have overwhelmed and not supported is because the writing was so paper thin that it was tough not to be more interested in the sets and costumes than the actual story. Again, just an opinion.

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    Watched the second episode of Unbelievable, and I totally get the Merritt Wever hype now. From her first scene, you get such a warm, likable, heroic, and intelligent presence from her. Can’t wait to see even more of her. The rest of the cast continues to be great.

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    It’s funny that everyone was so sure Ruffalo was a lock. Now I’m thinking it could be a four way race between him, Jackman, Paul, and Crowe.

    Paul isn’t winning after getting snubbed out of almost all the precursors.

    I think it’s Jackman vs Ruffalo vs Crowe with Jackman winning.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    We’ve been over Paul’s precursor snubs a thousand times. They’re irrelevant. But he still isn’t winning. I’d love to see Crowe win but IKTMIT is HBO and they love HBO. Even with the poor reception I won’t be surprised at all if the miniseries does well on noms day. I think Ruffalo takes it by default. Also, the show isn’t even over yet. If he has a strong performance overall, why would he lose? It’s not like the competition is enormous.

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    Watched the second episode of Unbelievable, and I totally get the Merritt Wever hype now. From her first scene, you get such a warm, likable, heroic, and intelligent presence from her. Can’t wait to see even more of her. The rest of the cats continues to be great.

    Unbelievable remains consistently excellent. It might even better as it goes along, to be bonest. I might need to rewatch it. I loved it that much.

    Emmys FYC - "Unbelievable" and "The Handmaid's Tale" in all categories; Viola Davis in Best Drama Actress for the final season of "HTGAWM;" "Ozark:" Drama Series, Laura Linney (Best Actress) and Julia Garner (Best Supporting Actress)

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    Paul isn’t winning after getting snubbed out of almost all the precursors. I think it’s Jackman vs Ruffalo vs Crowe with Jackman winning.

    Yeah, but he got snubbed at most precursors for those Breaking Bad wins too.

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    Yeah, but he got snubbed at most precursors for those Breaking Bad wins too.

    But that’s quite different. It is quite rare for a lot of TV Drama Supporting Actor nominees to get nominated at SAG and Globes due to how SAG combines both Lead and Supporting performances and how the Globes combine performances in Comedy, Drama, Limited Series and TV Movies.

    Paul missed for Lead Actor categories and SAG Actor despite it being quite open this year. Even Jesse Plemons got nominated whilst he was snubbed. He could get in but I wouldn’t be surprised if he got snubbed at the Emmys and I would be very surprised if he was win competitive.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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    How are those snubs irrelevant? It is easy to get snubbed at SAG if you are supporting because you compete with leads and at the Globes where you compete with comedies, limited and movies, plus new shows that do nothing at the Emmys. He was nominated two out of three times when Critics’ Choice existed during the show’s run and the year that they snubbed him was his weakest season. Consistently missing limited/movie lead is a big deal.

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    Especially for a Netflix television movie that aired close to voting for both SAG and the Globes.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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