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    Really? I feel like, next to Watchmen, it’s the one show from last year that has held on to its acclaim, for the lack of a better expression. Bar Mrs. America (which benefits directly from its later release), nothing in this category has all that much buzz. I’ve said this before, but at one point, nothing will have buzz anymore. It’s normal.

    You can’t lose acclaim for a single season performance. Whether everyone forgets about it or not the acclaim will always be there.

    To be clearer, as I said in my first post, I think Collette (and Unbelievable) is/are now very secure for the nominations. This is thanks to visibility, which the show doesn’t need buzz to have. But when it comes to wins, I don’t think the fact that Unbelievable will undoubtedly be third in the Limited Series race and will seem to have carried over from last year means (or will mean) that it has (or will have) any buzz. It’s a soft third because everything else around it failed. Accordingly, if Collette was in a category like Lead Actor she’d be fine as she probably would be the most buzzed contender on the most show but as it is she is probably in a category with solely contenders from the two series frontrunners (shows that people actually still care about). How can she possibly compete? I don’t think her name alone can carry her over that finish line.

    But we really have no evidence that her performance is less acclaimed. After all, she’s scooped the most nominations for this show of all three. Personally, I definitely think Wever and Dever are more impactful, but I haven’t seen all too many reactions not citing all three as standouts.

    Do we need “evidence”? I think when a show’s been out for a long time it’s easy to get a gauge on where people stand. Wever is seen as the almost unanimously agreed MVP (including in most reviews) and Dever, annoyingly, has the whole breakout star who gets the whole dramatic episode to herself thing going on. Collette just has the fact that she is great as she always is.

    And you say “the most nominations” – she literally has one more. And it’s from the SAG nominating committee, who are the biggest name checkers around, especially in the Limited categories.

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    I think we generally disagree on where Unbelievable stands in the race, which would explain our different views on Collette’s chances. I think the show is much more in this race than you do – but that’s fine! At least it’ll prompt interesting discussions. At the beginning of the season I completely agreed with the prediction that Collette is probably the safest to be nominated, but might have a harder time winning. But things have changed since, and as a result, my predictions have too.

    Emmys FYC - "Unbelievable" and "The Handmaid's Tale" in all categories; Viola Davis in Best Drama Actress for the final season of "HTGAWM;" "Ozark:" Drama Series, Laura Linney (Best Actress) and Julia Garner (Best Supporting Actress)

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    And you say “the most nominations” – she literally has one more. And it’s from the SAG nominating committee, who are the biggest name checkers around, especially in the Limited categories.

    Collette also had to compete with two of her co-stars in a field of five, at SAG as well. Her being the most recognisable name to your local Ohio weatherman is what helped pushed over the edge against Weaver & Dever.

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    I can’t tell whether this is sarcasm or not because it seems like you’re just agreeing with my assessment that Collette got name-checked ahead of the other two?

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    Maybe SAG just liked Collette’s performance the most? Is it so hard to imagine?

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    as is Martindale if she’s nominated – need I remind that she won two Emmys for doing practically nothing on The Americans? And that’s not even taking into consideration any other actress that is nominated from the show.

    And do I need to remind you that Martindale was snubbed more times that she was nominated, she was snubbed for supporting for season 5 and season 6 of The Americans (she was stellar in season 6, the best season of the show and most successful of the show Emmy wise as well), for supporting for The Good Wife for season 7 (Preston, Fox and the writing were nominated) and for guest for The Good Fight (fair enough, voters never watched the show, but we know that in Guest that is not necessary).

    I think that is time to assume that Guest categories are a different world, no one knows how the work, sometimes the most deserving one win, other times is a good winner, but not best, others times is the worst one. Same thing with the nominees, sometimes it looks like it is based on name recognition, but other times we see amazing surprises as Brosnahan for House of Cards.

    No one knows why Martindale was the only nominated actor for The Americans for the first 3 years of the show, much less why she won for her weakest seasons (3 and 4) and not for her best seasons (1 and 2, along with 5 and, especially, 6 for which she was snubbed), but we have seen that she has struggle really hard to repeat nomination after her infamous second guest win.

    Maybe SAG just liked Collette’s performance the most? Is it so hard to imagine?

    Exactly, for example, for me she is better than Dever and almost as good as Wever.

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    Maybe SAG just liked Collette’s performance the most? Is it so hard to imagine?

    Seemingly, it’s not hard to imagine if you want to imagine it. I personally though do struggle to believe it, yes.

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    Is it just me or does anyone else think Ruffalo won’t win in the end. There’s been zero buzz for I Know This Much Is True and I just can’t see him winning for it. I could kind of see Jackman taking it but I’m doubtful as they never seem to award actors from TV Movies. Maybe Macfadyen could surprise if Quiz is well received in the states like it was over here in the UK. I think the nominees will look like this:
    Crowe, Evans, Jackman, Macfadyen, Mescal, Ruffalo.

    FYC Emmys-
    Limited-
    UNBELIEVABLE, Quiz, Years and Years, Defending Jacob in all Categories
    Merritt Wever, Toni Collette, Matthew Macfadyen, Emma Thompson, Chris Evans & Michelle Dockery

    Drama-
    STRANGER THINGS, The Morning Show, Big Little Lies, The Crown, Killing Eve
    - Jennifer Aniston, VIOLA DAVIS, Jodie Comer, Sandra Oh, Nicole Kidman, Olivia Colman
    - FIONA SHAW, HBC

    Comedy-
    SCHITTS CREEK, Dead to Me, Sex Education
    - Catherine O’Hara, Annie Murphy, Christina Applegate, Linda Ca

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    Seemingly, it’s not hard to imagine if you want to imagine it. I personally though do struggle to believe it, yes.

    Well, that’s fair I guess. I actually came to believe that the ,consensus’ that Wever is the MVP and Collette is obviously the least liked / acclaimed performance of the three may not actually exist, when I saw that on the biggest Polish film site Collette’s performance is the highest rated one by the viewers.

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    Is it just me or does anyone else think Ruffalo won’t win in the end. There’s been zero buzz for I Know This Much Is True and I just can’t see him winning for it. I could kind of see Jackman taking it but I’m doubtful as they never seem to award actors from TV Movies. Maybe Macfadyen could surprise if Quiz is well received in the states like it was over here in the UK. I think the nominees will look like this:
    Crowe, Evans, Jackman, Macfadyen, Mescal, Ruffalo.

    Depending how things go I wouldn’t be shocked if Jeremy Irons end ups and winning in a Watchmen sweep, similar to Richard Jenkins with Oliver Kitteridge

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    Well, that’s fair I guess. I actually came to believe that the ,consensus’ that Wever is the MVP and Collette is obviously the least liked / acclaimed performance of the three may not actually exist, when I saw that on the biggest Polish film site Collette’s performance is the highest rated one by the viewers.

    Exactly. We always need to be careful with the GD and/or Twitter bubble. Of course, I think most of us would agree here that Wever was far and away the MVP, but that doesn’t mean everyone else agrees with that. The same with Paulson now being the supporting standout from Mrs. America.

    Emmys FYC - "Unbelievable" and "The Handmaid's Tale" in all categories; Viola Davis in Best Drama Actress for the final season of "HTGAWM;" "Ozark:" Drama Series, Laura Linney (Best Actress) and Julia Garner (Best Supporting Actress)

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    Is it just me or does anyone else think Ruffalo won’t win in the end. There’s been zero buzz for I Know This Much Is True and I just can’t see him winning for it. I could kind of see Jackman taking it but I’m doubtful as they never seem to award actors from TV Movies. Maybe Macfadyen could surprise if Quiz is well received in the states like it was over here in the UK. I think the nominees will look like this: Crowe, Evans, Jackman, Macfadyen, Mescal, Ruffalo.

    I also think Ruffalo is not going to win. Is Chris Evans good in Defending Jacob? I’ve only watched the first episode and he was just mediocre. I don’t want to overpraise Mescal but so far he is the only lead actor performance being talked in social media.

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    Could be wrong but I think I’ve figured out who you are^

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    Exactly. We always need to be careful with the GD and/or Twitter bubble. Of course, I think most of us would agree here that Wever was far and away the MVP, but that doesn’t mean everyone else agrees with that. The same with Paulson now being the supporting standout from Mrs. America.

    I don’t agree with this at all. Paulson was hugely acclaimed for her performance in ‘Houston’ and ‘Reagan’ but tbh I’ve seen more people having Byrne as their MVP than Paulson. I haven’t finished watching the show so I can’t speak for myself but I have friends who have finished watching it and they can’t stop talking about Byrne. Most of them have her as their MVP. Also wasn’t Byrne leading the Mrs. America Supporting Actress poll?

    FYC Emmys:
    Jane Lapotaire, The Crown (Drama Guest Actress)
    Helena Bonham Carter, The Crown (Drama Supporting Actress)
    Josh O'Connor, The Crown (Drama Supporting Actor)
    Fiona Shaw, Killing Eve (Drama Supporting Actress)
    Jodie Comer and Sandra Oh, Killing Eve (Drama Actress)

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    I will stand by my point that I thought that Lisa Kudrow would have been deserving for the Emmy in 2015. There have been a lot of people that have said that Julia has deserved all 6 of her Emmys and some have said that she has deserved an Emmy for the last season. Yes, there have been times when I have said that Julia did not deserve all 6 Emmys for Lead Actress for Veep and a number of people have disagreed with me.

    I was not trying to shade anyone or invalidate anyone’s opinion. I stated mine and acknowledged that people would have said Julia Louis Dreyfuss.

    Mrs America doesn’t have buzz.

    FYC Emmys : Jodie Comer ("Killing Eve"), Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials"), Russell Tovery ("Years and Years"), Helena Bonham Carter ("The Crown") & The Crown, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, Succession and The Affair in all categories. The Politician : Ben Platt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Bette Midler and Judith Light.

    FYC Goldderby Awards : MAURA TIERNEY AND DOMINIC WEST FOR THE FINAL SEASON OF THE AFFAIR

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