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October 12, 2020 at 12:30 pm #1203773255
Wow this Limited series seems to be really divisive.
That being said I think at worst it’s ending up like The Morning Show (acting and directing nods but not writing nod).
Might need to rethink my prediction of the show winning the Series Globe though. I’ll stick with Kidman winning for now but I’m wondering if the HFPA will go for Your Honour or The Good Lord Bird and that becomes the frontrunner like Escape at Dannemora was after Arquette’s winter awards sweep.
67 on Metacritic with 6 reviews.
Just had a look. It has 3 positive, 2 mixed and 1 negative. All but the THR one praise Kidman and Grant and Bier’s direction.
I don’t want to sound like a broken record but I don’t think we can call this show a flop or say it is panned. The only thing (THR’s review aside) that is being seen negatively is Kelley’s writing and even the mixed reviewed Variety article is saying it’s because it didn’t go as far as it could have been.
But anyway let’s see the audience response. I think Grant, Kidman and the show are safe at the Globes (I think they both are locks regardless because the HFPA love them particularly Grant so much) and I think they’re both safe at SAG and I still think Bier is winning DGA. The only thing that can hurt it I think is a negative audience response (which I’d be surprised to see).
FYC OSCARS : PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN IN ALL CATEGORIES (ESP. ACTRESS – Carey Mulligan AND ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY — EMERALD FENNELL), VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", ESSIE DAVIS FOR "BABYTEETH"October 12, 2020 at 12:37 pm #1203773270This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.October 12, 2020 at 4:48 pm #1203773832
Not a flop, but I don’t see it winning any Globes.October 12, 2020 at 5:03 pm #1203773856
Why? (Out of interest)
Currently at 83% on Rotten Tomatoes.
FYC OSCARS : PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN IN ALL CATEGORIES (ESP. ACTRESS – Carey Mulligan AND ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY — EMERALD FENNELL), VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", ESSIE DAVIS FOR "BABYTEETH"October 12, 2020 at 6:56 pm #1203774087
The consensus seems to be that it’s fine, standard prestige affair. Entertaining but not great. I don’t see Kidman winning another Globe with this show behind her when there are way more exciting options (Haas is looking good, plus Coel, maybe Taylor-Joy, even Blanchett in a stronger show) Past that, if its going to be a fall release that wins the limited Globe, The Good Lord Bird looks way better poised with its far better reviews, significant buzz for Hawke, and the Globes liking Showtime more than other place (Grant has no shot).October 12, 2020 at 7:20 pm #1203774167
Yeah, unless its a massive ratings hit/phenomenon, it won’t win anything.
Have a great day if you see this!
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Male/Straight/BLMOctober 12, 2020 at 7:45 pm #1203774278
Riley considering the embargo has lifted are you allowed to give any qualitative thoughts on the show?
FYC OSCARS : PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN IN ALL CATEGORIES (ESP. ACTRESS – Carey Mulligan AND ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY — EMERALD FENNELL), VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", ESSIE DAVIS FOR "BABYTEETH"October 13, 2020 at 7:45 am #1203775581
Yess please, I (most of the time) like and share Riley’s opinions on showsOctober 13, 2020 at 9:29 am #1203775804
Do the general public actually put any stock in reviews? I don’t mean that in a way to sound dismissive at all because I enjoy reading reviews, but I’ve never heard somebody say they wont be watching a series or movie because they read an article criticising it.
Also, are we really surprised that a series like The Undoing is going to get criticised? When you have top tier talent in every capacity on a project- as well as a star and creator reuniting after previous acclaim, the top cable network, expensive production and source material people are familiar with- there’s nowhere to go but down.
Critics loooove to drag returning shows that saw success (see Big Little Lies) because it makes them feel validated. They love to go after passion projects fronted by huge stars. Need we mention The Morning Show? They dragged it and I personally haven’t met anybody who didn’t love it (or BLL2 for that matter). They did the exact same thing with Little Fires Everywhere and I can’t wait to see them do it to Nine Perfect Strangers.
The Undoing is going to be fine. It looks thrilling, gorgeous and addictive. HBO automatically garauntees eyeballs and the cast is fantastic. Nicole is practicing her speeches. She should start it with “THIS IS FOR ALL YOU HOES THAT DIDNT TICK MY NAME OFF FOR THE EMMY!”October 13, 2020 at 9:55 am #1203775851
Yes, there is a clear community of general watchers who take stock of critical consensus to determine what’s worth their limited viewing time. I think that affects middlebrow “adult” fare far greater than tentpoles. Metacritic could have given “The Avengers” a score of 10 and it would have still been a blockbuster b/c that kind of popular entertainment is critic-proof. (It’s actual MC score was 69, for reference purposes.) Something like “The Undoing” getting any sort of mass negative critical acclaim would indeed tank it to exactly the audiences who need to see it, champion it, and spread it to the general, unwashed masses who would then make it a hit. And let’s be clear, a “hit” in HBO terms isn’t necessarily out-of-the-box high ratings, but increased subscriptions through water-cooler hits to increase shareholder revenue.October 13, 2020 at 2:02 pm #1203776307
I wanted some reviews to trickle in before I commented, in the interest of self-preservation. This is high-class trash, in the vein of Little Fires Everywhere and The Morning Show, which have admittedly done well at awards. Nicole Kidman is acting every second that she is on screen. Regina King would never—because real people do not. Kidman’s American accent is much improved from Big Little Lies though. Hugh Grant gets to keep his real accent for some reason, which never comes up in the plot.
Grant is excellent and better than he was in A Very English Scandal. His only drawback really is that he is the second lead, but he is a lead. All that I had seen before watching was the initial teaser, in which he barely appeared and had a lot of Donald Sutherland instead, which made me wonder if Grant would be borderline supporting and Sutherland borderline lead. Watching the first few episodes, I kept waiting for Grant to be killed off, but it turns out that HBO was just trying to limit spoilers, which I commend. Grant is so involved in the plot that showing too much of him in that initial teaser would have given things away.
Sutherland on the other hand has surprisingly little to do, outside of an inconsequential monologue in the middle that appears to have only been included as an excuse to get Sutherland to say “cocksucker” several times. This is a very twisty show, so it is possible that something comes out of nowhere and he brings it home in the finale, which is the only episode that was not provided to the press, but I am not holding my breath, hence I am not predicting him for nominations at the precursors.
Edgar Ramirez has an inherent coolness, but his role as the detective is a thankless one. If this show gets a second Emmy supporting nomination, I would sooner bet on Noah Jupe, who starts to get more in the penultimate episode, which suggests that he could have a big finale. Again though, it might be that his story fizzles out quickly in the finale.
This is entertaining viewing for sure after the unsubstantial premiere, but it would be disappointing to see Susanne Bier nominated. Kidman’s performance might be loved by most here and awards love loud theatrics, so I have her winning SAG.October 13, 2020 at 2:16 pm #1203776333
That was very insightful Riley, thanks.
Altho I do have a question. Do you think predicting Edgar Ramirez at the globes is plausible? Or, at least, more plausible than predict Sutherland?
It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!October 13, 2020 at 2:34 pm #1203776370
Okay I’m moving it down in my Globes predictions although I do think it’s safe for a few crafts (i.e. Costumes), Kidman and Grant (and Series if it ends up being somewhat of a massive hit like Little Fires Everywhere) at the Emmys. But yeah I now agree with Tyler that it’s probably not winning any Golden Globes.
I do think considering how Riley has said how theatrical Kidman’s performance is that she is in with a shot at winning SAG like Aniston did and depending on its SAG performance and audience response I can see this being more of an actors show with it getting a few craft noms here and there and Bier getting name-checked (exactly like The Morning Show) and depending on the competition I guess it could win an acting award.October 14, 2020 at 12:24 am #1203777082
Do you think predicting Edgar Ramirez at the globes is plausible? Or, at least, more plausible than predict Sutherland?
I would be surprised if Ramirez got nominated anywhere, but I could see Sutherland hitting the Globes and he seems safe to me for the Emmys.
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