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    If the rules requiring guest actor nominees to appear in less than half of a season’s episodes never happened, what are some performances from the past couple of years that you think would’ve been recognized by the Emmys? A couple that came to my mind were:

    Peter MacNicol – Veep (season 5)

    This is the one example where we know for a fact that the performance in question would’ve been nominated, since he actually was. And as we all know, MacNicol’s nomination was rescinded once the Emmys found out that he was in one episode too many, and then Peter Scolari who came in 7th place was bumped up to nominee status, and ended up winning.

    Jared Harris – The Crown (Season 1)

    This one really hurts, as I think Harris could’ve been a serious contender to win that year, being a previous nominee who gave an acclaimed performance in one of that year’s biggest new shows as one of Britain’s most iconic and beloved figures. Aside from Foy and Lithgow, he was the best part of that first season.

    Holly Hunter – Succession (Season 2)

    A beloved Oscar and Emmy winning actress with a major role in the Drama Series frontrunner. Her already slim supporting chances effectively died when Snook was announced to submit there, but if she went guest, she’d make it in before her other submitted co-stars easily, being a much bigger name with a lot more to do. Unlike these other names I’m mentioning, Hunter’s supporting placement doesn’t bother me as much, as she’s a much bigger role than these other parts.

    Sterling K. Brown – The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (Season 3)

    An Emmy favorite on a show that actors love. The fact that so many people think he’ll make supporting just shows how secure he would’ve been if he was allowed to go guest. While I believe his role is too minor to make supporting, he’d have been a lock in guest.

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    I would also add Eileen Atkins and Alex Jennings for the first season of The Crown. Anthony Hopkins would also go guest for the second season of Westworld. Maybe even Olivia Colman for the first season of Fleabag.

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    I don’t think Jared Harris would’ve been eligible in Guest in old system? Wasn’t he featured in main credits?

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    Here’s a great list from 2015, the first year that the new rule took effect:

    https://www.goldderby.com/article/2015/jane-fonda-the-newsroom-geena-davis-greys-anatomy-emmys-entertainment-13579086-story/

    I remember at the time it was really jarring, but now shows can at least theoretically design appearances over the course of the season to fit into the new rules, although sometimes its application, especially in the case of MacNicol hitting the 50% mark when a clip from a previous episode was used, still doesn’t make sense.

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    I don’t think Jared Harris would’ve been eligible in Guest in old system? Wasn’t he featured in main credits?

    You could still go guest if you were in the main credits under the old system. Robert Morse got nominated a ton of times for Mad Men when he was in the opening credits.

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    Interesting. How do we know which people in the main credits were eligible in Guest and which were not then? And how do we know that Jared Harris would’ve been actually eligible?

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    What were the eligibility rules

    FYC 2020 EMMYS

    COMEDY- SCHITTS CREEK in all categories, Maya Rudolph, Eddie Murphy

    DRAMA- Killing Eve in all categories, HBC, Cicely Tyson, The Crown in directing

    LIMITED- UNBELIEVABLE, Normal People in writing and directing, Toni Collette, Tituss Burgess

    FYC OSCARS- Amy Adams

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    You could submit guest regardless of episode count.

    Interesting. How do we know which people in the main credits were eligible in Guest and which were not then? And how do we know that Jared Harris would’ve been actually eligible?

    Not entirely sure of how it all worked, but given Harris was only in half of the episodes, and three of them were one scene per episode, I’m certain he’d have gone guest.

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    You needed to be billed as a guest star or contracted as such to be eligible for guest categories. That’s why Pedro Pascal was eligible in 2014 for Game of Thrones, but not Jack Gleeson, for example. You could be in all the episodes of a season and still be eligible, like John Lithgow for Dexter in 2010. Jared Harris would have to go supporting as he was credited as a main cast member, despite his low episode count.

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    Liza Minelli would have been nominated for season one of Arrested Development in 2004. At that time, the rule was a maximum of 6 episodes and I think Liza appeared in 7 episodes.

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    Jonathan Pryce-Game of Thrones S5 (was in 5/10 episodes)

    Love his work on the show, he would have made a great nominee.

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    Diana Rigg for season 6 too. She was nominated for every year she was eligible. She also would have had a great tape too, her final scenes with Margaery and Cersei in one particular episode were terrific.

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    Eileen Atkins and Alex Jennings? What world is this?

    You could still go guest if you were in the main credits under the old system. Robert Morse got nominated a ton of times for Mad Men when he was in the opening credits.

    You could submit guest regardless of episode count.

    Not really. Morse was technically under a guest contract, but they put him in the main credits. It can be hard to know when this is the case, but a tip-off that this might be the case is when a person is only in the main credits when they appear. In general though, if you are in the main credits, you are probably a main cast member. I imagine that Jared Harris was in the main cast, since he was always mentioned in the press releases that were more precious about listing cast members, but it is admittedly hard to speculate about his particular situation.

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    Plus the way The Crown does its opening credits is you’re only listed if you’re in the specific episode. Even if you’re part of the main cast like John Lithgow, he still wasn’t credited for “Gloriana” as he did not appear in it. So it’s hard to know if Harris would qualify even under the old system.

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    Eileen Atkins and Alex Jennings? What world is this? Not really. Morse was technically under a guest contract, but they put him in the main credits. It can be hard to know when this is the case, but a tip-off that this might be the case is when a person is only in the main credits when they appear. In general though, if you are in the main credits, you are probably a main cast member. I imagine that Jared Harris was in the main cast, since he was always mentioned in the press releases that were more precious about listing cast members, but it is admittedly hard to speculate about his particular situation.

    Okay, I didn’t fully understand the old tape system. But the main point of this forum is more to do with the biggest difference between the systems, which is the notorious episode count limitations.

    Anyway, I do believe that as long as Netflix was able to do so, they would’ve put Harris in guest, as that’s so clearly where he belonged. And if they could do that, he’d have been a lock for a nomination, and in the running for the win.

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