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    After seeing the recent thread comparing the tape systems, I started thinking about what are some performances that would’ve won the Emmy under the old tape system. Three that I came up with were:

    Joanthon Banks, Better Call Saul in 2015 for Five-O

    Kit Harington, Game of Thrones in 2016 for Battle of the Bastards

    Vanessa Kirby, The Crown in 2018 for Beryl

    I picked these three as they were very hyped up and beloved performances by fan favorites that dominated acclaimed episodes.

    Anyone else have other examples of performances they think would’ve won under the old system?

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    Lena Headey, Game Of Thrones in 2015 for Mother’s Mercy.

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    FYC Emmys: Helena Bonham Carter (Drama Supporting Actress), Olivia Colman (Drama Actress), Jodie Comer and Sandra Oh (Drama Actress), Fiona Shaw (Drama Supporting Actress), Zendaya (Drama Actress), Alexis Bledel (Drama Guest Actress)

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    Viola Davis or Laura Linney last year.

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    Kyle Chandler, Bloodline in 2015 for “Part 12”

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    Anna Chlumsky, Veep in 2015 for “Convention” (the famous breakdown rant scene!)

    Thandie Newton, Westworld in 2017 for “Trace Decay”

    Betty Gilpin, GLOW in 2019 for “Mother of All Matches” (one of the best TV performances I’ve ever seen)

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    Jonathan Banks and Kyle Chandler are the strongest answers so far.

    Lena Headey, Game Of Thrones in 2015 for Mother’s Mercy.

    Nice try, but an episode all about Crazy Eyes, complete with traumatic flashbacks? Did I mention that her name is Crazy Eyes? That kind of bait was made for the tape system.

    Anna Chlumsky, Veep in 2015 for “Convention” (the famous breakdown rant scene!)

    Not beating Allison Janney hamming it up as the co-lead on a Chuck Lorre show.

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    Jonathan Banks and Kyle Chandler are the strongest answers so far.

    Vanessa Kirby would definitely win under the tape system. Specially with that line-up and their submissions.

    Nice try, but an episode all about Crazy Eyes, complete with traumatic flashbacks? Did I mention that her name is Crazy Eyes? That kind of bait was made for the tape system.

    I never watched Orange Is The New Black so I would never know, that’s why I responded Lena Headey for Mother’s Mercy. Thanks for the Intel. But I heard from people who watch the show that Uzo Aduba wasn’t even the best supporting actress in the show that year. So maybe Lena could’ve won. We never know. Anyway, It seems Lena was bound to be doomed regardless of the voting system…

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    FYC Emmys: Helena Bonham Carter (Drama Supporting Actress), Olivia Colman (Drama Actress), Jodie Comer and Sandra Oh (Drama Actress), Fiona Shaw (Drama Supporting Actress), Zendaya (Drama Actress), Alexis Bledel (Drama Guest Actress)

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    Julia Louis-Dreyfus for Veep last year.

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    While these forums might not want to believe it, Ann Dowd would have had supporting actress on lock in 2017 – because thanks to Samira Wiley we got to see her two strongest outings in the race: the premiere and the finale. She might have even won in 2018, though the case can easily be made Vanessa Kirby. In 2019, it would have been Garner vs. Williams. Williams isn’t showy, but thanks to her three co-stars you practically got to see her entire arc play out, and her two best episode (“The Long Night” and “The Bells”) would have been seen.

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    Vanessa Kirby was so winning under the tape system. She had a pitch perfect submission. BAFTA uses a similar system I think and she won there. I don’t know what more you could want.

    Anyways, I’m glad this system is dead because people like Claire Foy would never win here and we’d get the same overdramatic theatrics winning over and over.

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    While these forums might not want to believe it, Ann Dowd would have had supporting actress on lock in 2017 – because thanks to Samira Wiley we got to see her two strongest outings in the race: the premiere and the finale. She might have even won in 2018, though the case can easily be made Vanessa Kirby. In 2019, it would have been Garner vs. Williams. Williams isn’t showy, but thanks to her three co-stars you practically got to see her entire arc play out, and her two best episode (“The Long Night” and “The Bells”) would have been seen.

    I don’t think Ann Dowd would’ve won in 2018. Her tape was IMO the weakest of the three THT girls. I actually think Alexis Bledel had the strongest tape out of the three. Vanessa Kirby would’ve won pretty easily IMO.

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    FYC Emmys: Helena Bonham Carter (Drama Supporting Actress), Olivia Colman (Drama Actress), Jodie Comer and Sandra Oh (Drama Actress), Fiona Shaw (Drama Supporting Actress), Zendaya (Drama Actress), Alexis Bledel (Drama Guest Actress)

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    I agree about Alexis Bledel having a more panel-friendly tape than Ann Dowd and Yvonne Strahovski.  Vanessa Kirby indeed gave the performance of the category in “Beryl”, but the acting style on The Crown is so cold that I would have to review the tapes before committing to her as my hypothetical prediction.

    BAFTA uses a similar system I think and she won there. I don’t know what more you could want.

    Well, she did not beat anyone that she up against at the Emmys for one thing.

    I heard from people who watch the show that Uzo Aduba wasn’t even the best supporting actress in the show that year.

    She indeed was not, but the tape system lived and died by only considering the tapes.  You could have a mediocre season overall, but win with a single tape that checked the boxes.

    Ann Dowd would have had supporting actress on lock in 2017 – because thanks to Samira Wiley we got to see her two strongest outings in the race: the premiere and the finale.

    Aunt Lydia had no sympathy factor, nor did she have screen time or range, so I do not know why you would ever bet on her in a tape system.  Gun to my head, I would say that Uzo Aduba would have won again.  That was after I stopped watching Orange is the New Black, but I know the potential for her from her previous tape and the tape system was known to award the same people over and over.  Watching all of the tapes is crucial to analysis though and there was not a “Five-O” in that category among the rest, so I do not want to say that anyone was incapable of winning, but calling Ann Dowd a lock is ridiculous.

    In 2019, it would have been Garner vs. Williams. Williams isn’t showy, but thanks to her three co-stars you practically got to see her entire arc play out, and her two best episode (“The Long Night” and “The Bells”) would have been seen.

    Nothing that Maisie Williams did in the final season comes close to “You’re the only thing in this world that I’ll ever fucking love” in terms of Emmy bait quality.

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    but calling Ann Dowd a lock is ridiculous.

    Yes, maybe calling her a lock is ridiculous, but I don’t think it’s as black and white as you present it. I find the sympathetic argument to be really ridiculous. If someone gives a great performance, who the heck cares if the character is sympathetic. I’m not saying it’s a bad argument, but I’d be horrified if that’s how Emmy voters actually think. And I also completely disagree that she didn’t show any range. She showed an incredible amount of range in merely that one finale episode, where Aunt Lydia is about to have Janine stoned. It’s also a BIG performance, and she’s playing a mustache-twirling villain. Emmy voters love that. Maybe I shouldn’t have said she’d easily win, but people diminishing her performance to a one-note turn, which people here like to do, isn’t fair at all.

    Nothing that Maisie Williams did in the final season comes close to “You’re the only thing in this world that I’ll ever fucking love” in terms of Emmy bait quality.

    That is true.

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    She is not mustache-twirling; there is nothing fun or winking about her character. That is what I mean that she is not sympathetic.  And you can absolutely give a great performance that is not sympathetic, but I disagree that it would stand up under the tape system, especially given the other shortcomings of her tape’s panel friendliness.

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    Lol Ann Dowd would not have come close under the tape system. In addition to all of the stuff that Riley said, the big thing is that she wouldn’t have beaten Aduba. I hate Orange is the New Black but I watched the tapes that year and Aduba’s performance in “People Persons” is one of the baitiest I’ve ever seen. I’d also say Newton was potentially ahead of Dowd with a much more compact tape whereas Dowd’s material was spread out across those two episodes.

    I’d guess that the winners from that year would have been:

    Anthony Anderson
    Julia Louis-Dreyfus
    Milo Ventimiglia
    Elisabeth Moss or Viola Davis
    Ewan McGregor
    Jessica Lange

    Anyone but Alec Baldwin. I’d guess Tituss Burgess.
    Judith Light
    John Lithgow
    Uzo Aduba
    David Thewlis
    Laura Dern

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