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POLL: CRUZ OR LIGHT
Penelope Cruz as Donatella Versace
Judith Light as Marilyn Miglin
  • Atypical
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    Not knowing of “Who’s the Boss?” in general or Light’s prominence during the 80s shows your specific pop cultural ignorance more than anything else. Reducing this awareness to “only Light stans” is clear bullshit, plain and simple. Tony and Angela had a “will they/won’t they” level chemistry and fervor that rivaled Sam and Diane, FYI.

    I’ve got no “ignorance” of any 80’s shows. Light isn’t widely seen as overdue or a star by most people. Your stan bias is seriously showing dude. “Tony and Angela” might have had that to YOU, but Cheers had infinitely more iconic characters and has no doubt been more influential in the world of sitcoms. Taxi is another classic. Light isn’t overdue, she isn’t a star, she is a talented actress who gave a good performance. Cruz is a star who also gave what many considered a good performance. Episode submissions not mattering as much only helps to solidify the bigger star winning. “Only Light stans” is acknowledging reality, whether that triggers those stans (presumably including you) is not up to me since I am not one of them.

    Again, you’re completely wrong. Voted for Cruz, FYI. I responded b/c ignorance is ignorance.

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    Teridax
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    Not knowing of “Who’s the Boss?” in general or Light’s prominence during the 80s shows your specific pop cultural ignorance more than anything else. Reducing this awareness to “only Light stans” is clear bullshit, plain and simple. Tony and Angela had a “will they/won’t they” level chemistry and fervor that rivaled Sam and Diane, FYI.

    I’ve got no “ignorance” of any 80’s shows. Light isn’t widely seen as overdue or a star by most people. Your stan bias is seriously showing dude. “Tony and Angela” might have had that to YOU, but Cheers had infinitely more iconic characters and has no doubt been more influential in the world of sitcoms. Taxi is another classic. Light isn’t overdue, she isn’t a star, she is a talented actress who gave a good performance. Cruz is a star who also gave what many considered a good performance. Episode submissions not mattering as much only helps to solidify the bigger star winning. “Only Light stans” is acknowledging reality, whether that triggers those stans (presumably including you) is not up to me since I am not one of them.

    Again, you’re completely wrong. Voted for Cruz, FYI. I responded b/c ignorance is ignorance.

    This isn’t ignorance, though I am admittedly surprised. People still generally talk about The Wonder Years, Family Matters (mostly for Jaleel White’s Urkel), Family Ties, Thirtysomething, yet relatively few people by comparison seem to talk about that Who’s The Boss show. Trust me on this one, I’m extremely pop culture savvy. Growing up, I loved the show Becker with Ted Danson, but I am not going to rudely call someone else ignorant just because they don’t know what it is. Same with Mr. Meaty, another show I loved (just for Season 1, because Season 2 doesn’t exist for me and every other true Mr. Meaty fan) that came out in the 2000’s, but also that I wouldn’t try to call someone “ignorant” who hadn’t heard of it. Cultural impact over a period of decades I feel is less subjective than loving or hating a work of art itself, which to me is entirely subjective depending on the tastes of the individual which are influenced by their own life experiences

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    Teridax
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    Back to the topic of this thread, I can’t wait for Adina Porter to win over Wever, Light, and Cruz, and for all our predictions to be blown up as a result! I’m only half-joking since you never know with these Emmys, in spite of their getting somewhat easier to predict these past few years, for better and for worse.

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    Porter winning would totally be the kind of crazy thing the emmys do. I wouldn’t be surprised at all.

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    I’ve been warning that Porter could upset. I have her in third place (behind Weaver and Light) , and I really want to predict her. She fits the bill of the surprising win, overdue veteran actor being awarded too late: Ann Dowd, Ben Mendelssohn, Etc.

    I think people are exaggerating the badness of her performance. First of all, she should have won last year (in my opinion). Second, her voice was weird but her performance was still solid, in my opinion.

    I watched her Gold Derby interview, and it was one of the better Gold Derby episodes I’ve seen. Plain and simple, she’s so genuine. Not that it matters, but she’d easily give the best speech of the night. Usually when interviewers ask how the nominee found out they were nominated, they give lame answers about being asleep to their phone blowing up, but Porter gave a very long and well thought out answer.

    She was so grateful about her nomination, and as someone who cares a lot about the Emmys, it made me happy to see someone appreciate it so much. I know I’m in the minority of liking her performance, but I’d genuinely love for her to win. I understand people don’t like her in this season, but she has a clear narrative in my opinion, and it only helps that she’s so genuine.

    Back to the topic, I really do think she’s a threat to win and I’d be ecstatic if it happens. It helps she was very good in her tape.

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    Part of the reason I’m so confident in predicting Samira Wiley in Guest is because she has been campaigning really hard with voters, apparently. Out of ALL the TV Movie/Mini Supporting Actress nominees, who has been known to be the hardest and most passionate campaigner this season? I know that doesn’t always make a difference with these awards, but in such a close race like this simply being charming with TV Academy voters could make all the difference in the world.

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    Macca
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    Part of the reason I’m so confident in predicting Samira Wiley in Guest is because she has been campaigning really hard with voters, apparently. Out of ALL the TV Movie/Mini Supporting Actress nominees, who has been known to be the hardest and most passionate campaigner this season? I know that doesn’t always make a difference with these awards, but in such a close race like this simply being charming with TV Academy voters could make all the difference in the world.

    Smith didn’t campaign. She won. Rigg plays the same character. Olenna won’t go unrewarded. Just like Violet didn’t.

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    Teridax
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    Part of the reason I’m so confident in predicting Samira Wiley in Guest is because she has been campaigning really hard with voters, apparently. Out of ALL the TV Movie/Mini Supporting Actress nominees, who has been known to be the hardest and most passionate campaigner this season? I know that doesn’t always make a difference with these awards, but in such a close race like this simply being charming with TV Academy voters could make all the difference in the world.

    Smith didn’t campaign. She won. Rigg plays the same character. Olenna won’t go unrewarded. Just like Violet didn’t.

    You would be surprised with these Emmys… Plenty of iconic charcters go unrewarded. Plus, Downton Abbey was a show far more loved by actors than GoT, I hate to bring up SAG as a comparison but it really says a lot that Abbey won Ensemble 3 times and that Thrones hasn’t even won once. Plus, Smith won multiple Emmys, not just for her final season. I doubt the Emmys would have waited until now to reward Rigg if they ever felt seriously motivated to recognize this character to begin with.

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    Macca
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    You would be surprised with these Emmys… Plenty of iconic charcters go unrewarded. Plus, Downton Abbey was a show far more loved by actors than GoT, I hate to bring up SAG as a comparison but it really says a lot that Abbey won Ensemble 3 times and that Thrones hasn’t even won once. Plus, Smith won multiple Emmys, not just for her final season. I doubt the Emmys would have waited until now to reward Rigg if they ever felt seriously motivated to recognize this character to begin with.

    This still hurts. I hate to think that one of the largest ensembles in TV history will be completely ignored by the greatest ensemble award there is.

    You make good points but this will be her last time, she’s not going to get another nomination after this, and while Wiley’s career will be destroyed by the upcoming 84 seasons of THT, she may have another chance in the future.

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    Teridax
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    You would be surprised with these Emmys… Plenty of iconic charcters go unrewarded. Plus, Downton Abbey was a show far more loved by actors than GoT, I hate to bring up SAG as a comparison but it really says a lot that Abbey won Ensemble 3 times and that Thrones hasn’t even won once. Plus, Smith won multiple Emmys, not just for her final season. I doubt the Emmys would have waited until now to reward Rigg if they ever felt seriously motivated to recognize this character to begin with.

    This still hurts. I hate to think that one of the largest ensembles in TV history will be completely ignored by the greatest ensemble award there is.

    You make good points but this will be her last time, she’s not going to get another nomination after this, and while Wiley’s career will be destroyed by the upcoming 84 seasons of THT, she may have another chance in the future.

    Don’t you mean the upcoming 1984 seasons of THT? Come on, you totally set me up for that one, heh heh. 😉

    I just can’t see Wiley losing. Don’t forget that Christina Hendricks couldn’t win under the popular vote system in 2015 for what was her “last time.” Rigg hasn’t been campaigning with voters, she only had one big scene while Wiley’s show did much better with the actors branch in general, also she has more screen time in her show and specific episode, which I actually think voters watched since I think TV Academy voters watch GoT and THT. Root with your heart and predict with your head, that’s what I always try to do.

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    Nobody knows what the hell Who’s The Boss is!

    Not everyone was born after 1990

    I was born after 1990 but I still know what Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, Dynasty, Charlie’s Angels, The Bionic Woman, V (the original series), Seinfeld, 3rd Rock from the Sun, Lost In Space, Happy Days, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, All In The Family, The Andy Griffith Show, The (British) Avengers, Kojak, Mission: Impossible, M*A*S*H*, Good Times, The Jeffersons, and TONS of other classic older TV shows are. Who’s The Boss isn’t a classic, only the few Judith Light stans in existence know about it. Seriously with that cliched and naive “you don’t know it just because its old” perspective.

    And by your definition ” Electra Woman and Dyna Girl “, ” Dynasty “, “Charlie’s Angels ” and ” The Bionic Woman ” are classics? LMAO. The terrible ” C ” word. Classic what camp? I’ll match Judith Light’s Karen Wolleck and Angela Bowers legacy against Deidre Hall’s Lori/Electra Woman and Marlena Evans’ any day of the week. And would that be the original ” Lost In Space ” from the ’60’s or the Netflix redux ” Lost In Space”? Classic versus contemporary- darn that annoying ” C ” word again.

    Lost In Space from the 60’s obviously! I saw every damn episode when I was a kid and think the majority of them still really held up well over the years. Johnathan Harris was hilarious as Dr. Zachary Smith. Also, just because a show is intentionally campy and doesn’t have any snob appeal doesn’t mean it isn’t a classic, as in a show that is still influential on some pop culture level and is talked about literal decades after its airing. “Charlie’s Angels” and ALL those other shows to varying degrees perfectly fit that description.

    They hold up really well? Compared to what Deidre Hall’s Aquanet? That’s your Perry Mason defense argument? Case dismissed. Those shows are definite products of their times. A nice zeitgeist of pop culture.

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    SHT L
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    Just to be clear, I’m not saying Light is overdue or anything. I voted for Cruz. I think most of us were just responding to your comment that Light’s biggest role is Transparent and most of us think and argue it’s Who’s the Boss? which has been the subject of an incredible amount of retrospectives, has been watched by many millions more people than Transparent, and a show people have fond memories about. Emmy voters would most likely remember that show. It was one of those feel-good shows that people enjoyed and was in the top ten (when being in the top ten equaled GIANT numbers) for like six seasons straight. It was incredibly popular and has kept both Light and Danza working for two decades, has allowed Danza to stay relevant and a “name” (I mean he guest starred on Broad City because they really WANTED Tony Danza to play Abbi’s dad because of Who’s the Boss? and was supposed to be the main attraction of a few Broadway performances because of his name), and launched the career of Alyssa Milano who was a teen sensation on that show and many men of a certain age grew up having a crush on her. It also played in syndication for many years and TV Land even gave it a primetime slot.

    Nobody is saying people think Light is overdue for an Emmy or that people will think that because of Who’s the Boss? but just arguing that Transparent is not her biggest role. Although, any notoriety and familiarity and fond memories of Who’s the Boss? will only serve to help. That and the fact she’s seen as a legitimate actress now with two Tony awards.

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    And to bookend your point, Light also has back to back Daytime Emmys for Outstanding Lead Actress. She is a legend in the field of daytime. TV Guide named her performance as Karen Woleck on the witness stand from ” One Life To Live ” one of The 100 Greatest Moments In Television. She is beloved and highly regarded in the theatre community in New York. As you so well stated in earlier postings, she has carved out a niche for herself ( and immense talent ) in pop culture history due to two roles – Karen Woleck and Angela Bowers. Shelly Pfefferman as of this writing isn’t even a second cousin to the aforementioned in the consciousness of American pop culture.

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