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    wolfali
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    I think this will be the Hollywood of the Emmys next year (acting noms but no Series) unless the field is really empty (i.e. no THT or TMS along with no Succession and Ozark).

    On a separate note if Succession or Ozark miss is anything going to beat The Crown for Series at the Emmys next year even if its quality doesn’t improve (or is as acclaimed as we’re expecting it too) from this season? All the new shows seem to be flopping either in quality, buzz and/or viewership left, right and centre. I guess there is still The Mandalorian and Industry to come but whilst I see The Mandalorian potentially getting the most nominations of any show I don’t see it winning Series and I think Industry will at best be a Succession season 1 at the Emmys (i.e. I think Lena Dunham is winning DGA).

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", GLENN CLOSE FOR "HILLBILLY ELEGY", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Ok so I’ve read some reviews for this and I retract most of the things I’ve said and have completely jumped on board with hopelesstar’s hypothesis. The show has stabilised at 63% on Rotten Tomatoes and I must say the reviews are divisive. Some praises some boos but I think had this aired for the 2020 Emmys it would have gotten the same noms The Morning Show did plus a tonne of craft awards which it’s locked for nominations in regardless.

    The cast of this show are being praised a lot (specifically Paulson and Wittrock and especially Cynthia Nixon who I think can potentially win Critics Choice à la Crudup because even the most negative reviews are praising her to the skies). Funnily enough I did think her and not Sharon Stone would get in but I thought I was being ridiculous.

    I would say unless we have a field like this year Paulson is safe for a nomination and that regardless Cynthia Nixon is getting in at the Emmys. Wittrock I’m a bit unsure about considering how even with the possibility of Strong, Cox and Bateman missing that category still seems ultra competitive.

    At the moment I am predicting the following nominations for it post these reviews :

    Globes – Drama Series (if The Politician even though I like the show could still get in then I think this is safe there), Drama Actress (Paulson), Drama S. Actress (Stone)

    Critics Choice – Drama Actress (Paulson), Drama Actor (Wittrock), Drama S. Actress (Nixon)

    SAG – Drama Actress (Paulson), Drama Actor (Wittrock)

    Emmys – Drama Series, Drama Actress (Paulson), Drama S. Actress (Nixon), Drama S. Actress (Davis), Drama G. Actress (Arquette), Drama Casting, Cinematography, Period Costumes, Period/Character Hairstyling, Period/Character Makeup, Prosthetics, Music Composition, Original Theme Music, Editing, Production Design, Sound Mixing

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", GLENN CLOSE FOR "HILLBILLY ELEGY", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    So after looking at a few reviews (they were far from kind), I’ve now gathered crucial information.

    Sharon Stone’s monkey wears matching outfits. Cause apparently Ryan Murphy and company thought that Sharon Stone having a monkey on her shoulders wasn’t over the top enough.

    Additionally, one reviewer claimed her character’s defining trait is requesting decapitations.

    Let’s Go Bucks

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    The show now has worse reviews than Hollywood on metacritic as of now and is down to 57% on RT.

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    I have much respect for Ryan Murphy and the opportunities he gives those in the LGBTQ community, but sometimes, it feels like he is not taking his projects serious. He has addressed many things Hollywood has been afraid to address but I want something different from him.

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    I think this will be the Hollywood of the Emmys next year

    ”I think it will be far more similar to the Politician than to Hollywood in terms of its Emmy performance.

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    ”I think it will be far more similar to the Politician than to Hollywood in terms of its Emmy performance.

    I don’t know. It’s got a more Emmy friendly cast and its crafts are more in line with Hollywood in terms of bait.

    And actually I think had The Politician (Netflix’s most nominated Comedy this year) been an Emmy priority by Netflix it would have gotten Hollywood level of nominations. I guess really it remains to be seen what happens with Netflix’s campaigning of this show. Although I can’t imagine them not making a show with Sarah Paulson as the Lead a campaign priority regardless of critical reception.

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", GLENN CLOSE FOR "HILLBILLY ELEGY", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Independent bloggers, Tom and Lorenzo, (who are also Rotten Tomato certified critics, I believe) really did not care for Ratched, either.

    Their review: Ratched is a Very Pretty Waste of Your Time

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    Sharon Stone’s monkey

    Ouch!

    Wonder if this may end up being the equivalent to Cats in VFX…

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", GLENN CLOSE FOR "HILLBILLY ELEGY", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Sepinwall hated it: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-reviews/ratched-netflix-ryan-murphy-sarah-paulson-review-1058869/

    Also, 62% on Rotten Tomatoes now. 21 positive reviews and 13 negative reviews.

    50 on Metacritic. 4 positives, 4 mixed and 3 negative.

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    So Elizabeth Banks somehow has been watching it already and has said she’s hooked and seems to have praised Paulson and Wittrock.

    Yeah I think this is ending up like The Morning Show above the line.

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", GLENN CLOSE FOR "HILLBILLY ELEGY", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    She’s friends with Paulson so was probably throwing her a bone, or maybe they’re doing some sort of 92Y interview together. Regardless, I wouldn’t read too much into it. I don’t think this can be as strong as the morning show because

    1) Morning Show released weekly, so it sustained buzz, even if the buzz wasn’t always great, the show remained in the conversation for months. I think there’s a chance we stop talking about this by October.

    2) Subject matter isn’t as baity as Morning Show, and is more polarizing.

    3) This has been a long awaited project, but it’s hype is kinda incomparable to the Morning Show, which was launching a new service and featured three of the biggest celebs on planet (I love Paulson but she doesn’t compare). Also Paulson doesn’t have Jen’s narrative, nor is she (from what I can tell) getting Jen’s reviews. Nixon to Crudup may be an apt comparison though.

    For me, the only thing I see helping this show is a weak ass television season. But five acting noms and a directing nomination? I’m not sure

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    I don’t necessarily understand The Morning Show comparisons. Yes, The Morning Show was initially panned by many critics, but the critics had only reviewed the first few episodes of the season. Reviews of Ratched are based on the whole first season. Hollywood seems like the more apt comparison here.

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    . But five acting noms and a directing nomination? I’m not sure

    When I mean The Morning Show I don’t mean a directing nomination or specifically five acting nominations. What I meant is I can see it getting acting nominations and not shut out due to the Emmy friendly cast (Paulson, Stone, Nixon, Wittrock) and possible better audience than critical receptuon.

    Also if Banks is friends with Paulson wouldn’t that give her a leg up over her non Aniston/Colman/Zendaya contenders considering how popular Paulson is in the industry. Yes Paulson missed for AHS Hotel in an ultra competitive year and yes she missed for Mrs. America when she was facing quite a lot of internal competition. However she doesn’t seem to be facing any of these here.

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", GLENN CLOSE FOR "HILLBILLY ELEGY", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Also Hollywood debuted in prime Emmy season and was a top 2 push for Netflix in its category which I highly doubt this will be.

    TMS comparisons truly make no sense – that was Apple’s flagship show intended to launch an entire service that they put their full weight behind and featuring huge buzzy stars.

    TMS wasn’t well received by critics but it still scored a 61 on metacritic, whereas Ratched is struggling to get out of the high 40s.

    This is a flop folks.

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