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    It’s quite representative to see the reaction towards emptiness in comedy category although I think I expect more contenders being talked about, like Dickinson. In drama side, I think most of us (if not all) agree that The Crown is a far frontrunner, but In Treatment is kind of understated (despite of being brought to the conversation, in my opinion, it deserves a real talk). It’s also important, I suggest, to bring The Handmaid’s Tale more into the discussion because it won’t come back for nothing.

    That being said, you guys rock!

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    Great slugfests as usual! They’re one of the highlights of Emmy season for me so you know everything is gearing up when they start happening!

    When you read out all those names of the comedy series taking the season off Riley… Sheesh. It felt like I was reading some sort of autocue that was exploding due to the sheer amount of text inputted lol. What an empty field!

    It would have been great to hear more about the two comedy lead categories after hearing about the comedy supporting and the drama lead ones because both those categories are insanely difficult to predict (nominations wise) but I assume you’ll touch on that later on.

    Can’t wait for the upcoming ones and most specifically the limited series slugfest!

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    I enjoyed how Tony tried to say that Comedy wasn’t actually that weak a field but then proceeded to name not one single show that would have gotten in alongside Ted Lasso and The Flight Attendant in any other year.

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    Jesus, how many ended / not-competing comedy shows did Riley rattle off in that first minute.

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    “The state of TV Movie can be summed up in four words” – I died

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    I love how you all channeled the energy of naming every Emmy contender that is missing from Comedy Series to naming every single submission in limited series!

    Oh and I agree they should merge limited series and movie together. That TV Movie category is a joke.

    Ted Lasso and The Flight Attendant in any other year.

    Would <i>The Flight Attendant </i>even have made it into series in another year?

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    Would <i>The Flight Attendant </i>even have made it into series in another year?

    Easily.

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    Easily.

    I mean don’t get me wrong I love this show and Cuoco would have probably been a shoo-in regardless but it feels like a bit of a stretch to say it would have easily made it in if MaiselBarryAtlanta and even <i>Russian Doll</i> all aired as they originally were going to. Even The Great considering it already seems to be growing in support (and has support from the writers branch) and could have benefitted from airing towards the end of the season again.

    That’s not to say The Flight Attendant won’t have been nominated in series but it did after all receive more or less the same guild nominations in a weak year as GLOW season 2 did in a strong year.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    I stand by that response considering the actual question was would it get in series in another year. And my answer is yes because it would easily get in last year for example.

    The show’s not getting nominated just because of lack of options or the weakness of the category which was what was being insinuated it felt.

    And even if the three biggest comedies of recent years were eligible too, it’d simply go from being #2 to #5 in a line-up of eight so safe-ish. Russian Doll heavily underperformed at the winter awards after a great Emmy performance (much like WW S2) so even with the renewed interest because of Murphy, I’m not sure it’d be ahead. Definitely not The Great tho. After how it has performed overall and the fact it’s not a show that isn’t on their radar or is having a big critics push like other late breakers, I’m positive something like The Flight Attendant would not be in danger of losing a spot to it in series.

    I also disagree that this is a weak year at the guilds. Schitt’s Creek and Ted Lasso are strong contenders. Curb is LOVED by the major guilds considering it has never missed a PGA or WGA nomination in 15+ years and is tied at DGA for the most noms for a comedy. Shadows is also not a weaker contender than something like The Good Place for example. The Kominsky Method was the only comedy outside of the PGA 5 in 2018 that got any major traction and could be considered a contender. Whereas, with shows like The Great, Dead To Me, PEN15 etc,  the truth is competing for the bottom spots this year is much harder than it was back then.

    So I wouldn’t take the TFA’s awards run lightly especially when it’s on a new streaming service, without any critics push or general prestige attached to it. It’s a testament to the strength of the show that it has emerged as a strong contender despite its seemingly trashy vibes and its lack of huge popularity to counter that (like Bridgerton).

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    Definitely not The Great tho. After how it has performed overall and the fact it’s not a show that isn’t on their radar or is having a big critics push like other late breakers

    How has The Great under-performed overall? Sure it missed with a populist group like PGA but it managed to get SAG (which I thought would be far fetched considering how populist SAG is) and WGA (the latter of which <i>The Flight Attendant </i>failed to get in for) nominations in spite of having aired in May and if it was a normal year, it could have benefitted from having its second season airing closer to voting. A bit like how Schitt’s Creek out-performed The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel last year in spite of the latter having a stronger guild performance than it did for a different season. I don’t see how it’s comparable to Dead to Me (which lacks Globe and WGA nominations that The Great has) or Pen15 (which lack nominations outside Critics Choice and WGA).

    Sure I may be speaking in hypotheticals here but I feel like it’s quite bizarre to suggest <i>The Great</i> definitely wouldn’t be ahead of The Flight Attendant when it has only shown it has grown in support since it its premiere in May and since the Emmys and in a normal year, it could have been helped by recency bias (and the fact that this second season is the final season of “this era” of the show could have helped in buzz).

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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