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    Having seen all of the Emmy winners, I am wondering if Episode submissions played a greater role this year than in the previous three years. First of all just to be clear, I am not saying that the episodes were the sole deciding factor or even the biggest deciding factor. But I remember Tom saying that voting this time gave you constant reminders of watching the episodes and I’m wondering if that was enough to guilt trip even 20% to 30% of voters into watching the tapes of some of the categories?

    It’s also important to not look at what constituted the ‘best episode submission’ the way we used to. For instance, during the earlier voting system where we had a PREFERENTIAL ballot and when smaller panels of 70 – 80 voters decided who would win (voters that were older, straighter and whiter). broader more baity episodes would usually win. But in the new system, perhaps the best episode would be less Emmy-baity? Like Viola Davis losing to Tatiana Maslaney?

    I mean let’s look at the 8 acting winners from Comedy and Drama on Primetime Night:

    1. Claire Foy – she was absolutely riveting in her episode. Dear Mrs Kennedy is possibly her best performance in both the seasons of the Crown and this was a stellar tape.

    2. Matthew Rhys – He had the best episode submission of the category and it wasn’t even close.

    3. Thandie Newton – I honestly feel Vanessa Kirby had the best episode here, but Newton did speak Japanese in her episode. Maybe that impressed the actors? Also THT ladies splitting the vote becomes more of a reality if episodes mattered.

    4. Peter Dinklage – He was \amazing in his tape and again, IMO, his was the best episode of the category.

    5. Alex Borstein – Okay this is where things get interesting. For me Mullally should have easily won in the older system – it was the perfect submission. But in this new system, maybe the voters were more receptive to Alex’s tape?

    6. Bill Hader – He was simply the best and this category actually makes me most confident about episodes playing some role. Also, if voters saw Teddy Perkins they might not have realized that was Glover.

    7. Rachel Brosnahan – she didn’t go with her best episode, but her chosen episode was still the best of the category.

    8. Henry Winkler – No one had a knockout episode here except for Burgess, and again Burgess would have been a three to four time Emmy winner in the old system by now, so I guess Winkler’s performance is what they are more receptive to in this system?

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    Definitely not.

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    Riley
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    For the love of god, no. The idea that anyone (except us, of course) could sift through a hundred-plus submissions is too absurd.

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    Nope. Yes, some winners happened to have amazing tapes, but their wins aren’t related to that at all. Voters may have seen the entire season, but if you ask them: “So, what did Thandie Newton do in Akane No Mai?” I don’t think they’d be able to answer that question.

    If this were based on episodes, we’d see different winners. Foy is magnificent but Moss gives the bigger performance. Newton is brilliant in hers, but Dowd and Kirby give the bigger performances.

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    For the love of god, no. The idea that anyone (except us, of course) could sift through a hundred-plus submissions is too absurd.

    But what about going through the episodes for just a few categories? Like maybe just the lead categories? or how about going through the categories for one genre – like maybe someone was fine voting on comedy without seeing the episodes but decided to vote on drama after seeing the episodes?

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    Foy is magnificent but Moss gives the bigger performance.

    But like I said, I don’t think Moss would have won against Foy even if the voters were forced to see the episodes because Foy had a better episode and she is playing the Queen.

    Moss’s tape was baity enough to win in the old system, but I guess voters would have wanted to go for something less baity? Like they did with so many winners this year.

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    All I am saying is we shouldn’t completely rule out the importance of episode submissions. In close races that may have come down to a handful of votes, the episodes could have made all the difference. I certainly believe that Newton being so good in her episode and speaking Japanese helped her edge past those THT ladies (who of course would have split votes to an even greater degree if their episodes were watched by some voters)

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    We’re talking about actors voting here. Actors are busy as hell, I don’t think they can realistically watch all of these episodes.

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    Also I heard Riley make this point in a slugfest, about how if episodes mattered we would have seen Sterling K Brown or Elisabeth Moss win.

    But I just want to point out that our knowledge of what have been Emmy winning submissions has to take into account the fact that those voters voted using a Preferential ballot and they were just 70-80 voters who mostly skewed older, whiter and straighter. So it’s probably not fair to compare what they awarded Emmys too (speeches, broader comedy, more baity) to a wider, younger more diverse voting pool of thousands that uses a plurality vote.

    What constituted the best episode has itself changed, and in this new system I can see how Rhys, Foy and Newton would be considered to be the best tapes, unlike the older systems that would have given it to Brown, Moss and Dowd.

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    I do think vote splits were a huge deal.

    The only winner who competed against their own show was Dinklage, who is, well, a 7x nominee and previous 2x winner, against someone who finally after 7 years got 1 nom.

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    – Did Ted Danson have a chance?
    – Did Pamela Adlon have a chance?
    – Did John Leguizamo have a chance?
    – Did Adina Porter have a chance?
    – Did Tituss Burgess have a chance?
    – Did Betty Gilpin have a chance?
    – Did Cameron Britton have a chance?
    – Did Maya Rudolph have a chance?
    – Did David Lynch have a chance?
    – Did The Duffer Brothers have a chance?
    – Did Jesse Peretz have a chance?

    Being in a popular show should not be required to win an Emmy.

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    Nope. If tapes mattered, Brian Tyree Henry, Benedict Cumberbatch, Betty Gilpin, Keri Russell and Issa Rae would have won.

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    Can someone explain to me the difference between the old and the current system ?

    Yes ?

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    Maisel could’ve submitted a test pattern and it still would’ve won 8 Emmys.

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