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  • Thatcher, Prime Minister of GoldDerby
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    Darlings, the best submissions in both categories are Lena Headey’s The Bells and One-Handed Waldau’s A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.

    LENA HEADEY hasn't got an Emmy for Game of Thrones????? Emmys you need to win her right now!!
    If Lena Headey doesn't win the Emmy, I'm leaving GoldDerby forever.

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    Ivo Stoyanov
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    I remain baffled by that nomination, so I think not, although there are some people who will vote the This is Us ticket and This is Us has proved to be good at winning pluralities with actors, so I have him fourth. I have Giancarlo Esposito ranked last, as they snubbed him just last year, so Jonathan Banks should be solidly ahead. It could be Michael Kelly in the runner-up position. I really thought that voters would ditch him for the final season like they did Jim Carter, but he held on despite the terrible season, so he must have a good level of industry respect at this point.  He would be the challenger to Peter Dinklage with the House of Cards series finale being his showcase.

    He did not had the material last year, he has it this year, so this is not relevant, it only shows that voters are paying much stronger attention to the performances they nominate in the last years. I do not think that Esposito can take votes from Banks though, he couldn’t take votes from Paul when they were closer as quality in their performances, this season has been much stronger for Banks.

    Also, the Chris Sullivan hate is another Gold Derby trending that is not popular outside of the forum, he had his best season, he has an incredible tape and he could have won based on tapes. He was great and very different in The Knick, a show that has fan base in the industry. He definitely has a chance.

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    Jake
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    I remember how Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series was the category when Emmy voters used to spread the wealth – 4 different actors from “The West Wing” winning and no repeat winners between 1996 and 2012 was pretty inspired but then Peter Dinklage and Aaron Paul became perennial favorites and have won Emmys that could really go to Giancarlo Esposito, Josh Charles, David Harbour, Jonathan Banks or Nikolaj Coster-Waldau. What I wanna say, Banks losing for the first season of “Better Call Saul” means that submissions are no longer watched and therefore Peter Dinklage wins again.

    It also sucks that Liza Weil from How To Get Away With Murder was not nominated in Supporting Actress. Liza was much more deserving than some of the nominees in this category.

    Stop making Liza Weil happen. She’s not going to happen. 😀

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    Ivo Stoyanov
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    I remember how Best Supporting Actor in a Drama Series was the category when Emmy voters used to spread the wealth – 4 different actors from “The West Wing” winning and no repeat winners between 1996 and 2012 was pretty inspired but then Peter Dinklage and Aaron Paul became perennial favorites and have won Emmys that could really go to Giancarlo Esposito, Josh Charles, David Harbour, Jonathan Banks or Nikolaj Coster-Waldau. What I wanna say, Banks losing for the first season of “Better Call Saul” means that submissions are no longer watched and therefore Peter Dinklage wins again.

    Stop making Liza Weil happen. She’s not going to happen. 😀

    Disagree, this theory has to stop. Voters have proven many times that they watched what they nominate. Aaron Paul was the best based on tapes for all of his wins.

    Dinklage is incredibly and even inexplicably adored by the Academy, while Banks is the person that they love to nominate just so he can see how he is going to lose multiple times. The vote for Dinklage when they don’t like no one else.

    I agree about Liza Weil though 😀

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    thatnerdgreg
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    Aaron Paul deserved all of his wins. I also would’ve given him another Emmy for season 2. Giancarlo Esposito also would’ve been a wonderful winner for season 4, but Paul was just as deserving. As much as I love Peter Dinklage, he only should’ve won for the first season. His season 5 win is insulting, since he was at most the 4th best supporting actor on Game of Thrones that year. It really upsets me that he’s not only tied Paul’s record for wins, but is almost certainly going to beat it this year.

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    Rachel
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    I am still making my way through the Drama Supporting Actress submissions. Sophie Turner’s nomination should be revoked. Gwendoline Christie definitely has screen presence and I wish that she had more to do in her submission because she definitely leaves an impression in her scenes. Maisie Williams definitely had a lot of physicality in her submission, had more screen time and has some heroic moments. For some reason, none of these submissions would move me to vote based on what I saw in the submission. I watched Fiona Shaw’s episode when it aired and I can’t remember what she did in that episode. I still have Lena Headey and Julia Garner’s episode submissions to watch.

    Maisie’s performance reminds of Kit’s in the Battle of the Bastards. The physicality of it was impressive but not enough to win over a vote-split.

     

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    thatnerdgreg
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    Maisie’s performance wasn’t anywhere close to being as good as Kit’s. The moment when Jon stares down Ramsay’s entire cavalry still sends chills down my spine. Jon being the point of view character in the Battle the Bastards really allowed Harington to shine in a way that Williams (who had to share her screen time with so many other actors) could not. Harington’s increased presence allowed him to go through so many more emotions in his battle. Also, while Williams’ physicality was impressive, Harington’s performance was one of the most physically impressive feats I’ve ever seen on screen. And while Williams’ performance was mostly just her fighting and sneaking, Harington got several great scenes where he was just talking with other characters rather than fighting, such as when Jon questions why he’s still alive and asks Melisandre to let him stay dead if he loses the battle. I guess the point I’m making here is that if Harington couldn’t win for Battle of the Bastards, Williams won’t win for The Long Night.

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    Reis
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    I think her sequence in “The Bells” works better for her. It is marvelous directed, with a better ilumination and she plays more emotions on screen. She is the heart of a big part of the part. But she is the heart of Long Night too. Her scene in the library, running, with Melisandre, the jumping. And Arya is a more beloved character than Jon.

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    I’d say Arya was more popular in the beginning, but Jon became just as popular later on, especially during his highly beloved arc in season 6. Also, I know quite a few fans who previously loved Arya, but grew to dislike her in the final two seasons. Either way, they’re both enormous fan favorites. Tyrion, Daenerys, Jon, and Arya are arguably the most popular characters in the series. Whenever I hear someone say they have a favorite character, it’s almost always one of them.

    Also, if anyone was the heart of The Long Night, it was Theon. While I have some mixed feelings on that episode, I thought it gave a beautiful ending to everyone’s favorite Greyjoy. He helped keep Bran alive(In hindsight, I wouldn’t have minded if he failed), proved that he’s capable of being a total badass, made up for his past atrocities towards the Starks, and ended up making the ultimate sacrifice. Just because Arya saved the day in a blatant deus ex machina doesn’t mean she was the heart of that episode. Alfie Allen really wound up being one of the luckiest actors on Game of Thrones this past season. In just three episodes (and a fourth as a corpse) he had several legitimately powerful moments, finally got a well deserved Emmy nomination(he definitely should’ve been nominated for season 5, and would’ve been deserving for season 2 as well), and unlike almost every other main character, he got to finish his character’s story in a meaningful and poignant ending.

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    I think her sequence in “The Bells” works better for her. It is marvelous directed, with a better ilumination and she plays more emotions on screen. She is the heart of a big part of the part. But she is the heart of Long Night too. Her scene in the library, running, with Melisandre, the jumping. And Arya is a more beloved character than Jon.

    Uh…I know people that quit watching Game of Thrones when Jon Snow died.

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    I just watched Lena Headey’s submission and it was good. Maisie Williams does have a decent amount of screen time in Headey’s submission, but this should be enough to get Headey the win. Why oh why did Gwendoline Christie not go with The Last of the Starks as her submission?

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    I love Gwendoline in both A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms and The Last of The Starks. I think she’s memorable and lovely in both.
    A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms was received exceptionally well and the knighting was considered a series highlight. I know Christie is very attached to what it means for the character.

    I think that final scene in The Last of The Starks is sensational – her devastation was so highly effective it turned a barrage of fans against Coster-Waldau’s character in one fell swoop. But that’s easier to see in retrospect, at the time the behaviour of the character was a headspin of a thing to take in for many people.

    Emmyfan – I’ve watched all six. I really enjoyed Julia Garner’s submission, and I don’t overly enjoy Ozark, if I’m honest

    1. Christie (I love all three scenes she does – the knighting scene is absolutely extraordinary – she is so wonderful in this – I love it so much, the scene in the courtyard with Coster Waldau is both funny and sensitive, the scene at the trial is great). It’s a short submission but it’s excellent. Her screen presence is excellent and as always she works so well with Coster Waldau.

    2. Garner – longer submission but it’s got nuance and emotion attached to it. I don’t necessarily see anything in it that is new from previous Garner performances, but she engages so well with the other actors and creates a mood with her performance I find intelligent.

    3. Headey (however I am less than impressed by the rest of her season) – It’s not very Cersei but that’s great because it shows range. She creates a great deal of empathy, and it’s a sensitive performance in the middle of a big, bold, episode. I do, however, feel like I still wasn’t emotionally attached enough to it – on first or second watch – I can appreciate it’s excellent on a technical level but I didn’t feel as emotionally moved as I did by Garner and Christie’s.

    4. Williams (I’d have submitted 5, but Headey had that). This is such a fun submission.  But it’s more action based. Her choreography is ace. This episode is so much VFX and heavy makeup and stunts and there’s almost no dialog and the thing is…I love her in “action hero Arya” scenes. Most of my favourite scenes in the season were those. I wasn’t as enamoured with her in other parts of the season.

    5. Turner. It’s good, but no big moments (but her season overall is better). Turner has a very even season in my opinion. There aren’t any “wow” moments, but she’s never terrible. I’ve always seen Turner as a (very young) consistent stalwart. Should consistent stalwarts win Emmys? Maybe not. But they’re important!

    6. Shaw. She’s cool and stylish and mysterious and suave in this role, but…that’s all I get. I don’t like this episode submission much at all for her – I don’t think she does much – though it is an absolutely kick ass episode.

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    Thoughts on Julia Garner’s episode submission?

    It also sucks that Liza Weil from How To Get Away With Murder was not nominated in Supporting Actress. Liza was much more deserving than some of the nominees in this category.

    He has good scenes, but she have I think 2 better submissions. The episode where the show reflect about being a Langmore would be so much better, but she is pretty consistently in the whole season, maybe it’s enough for a win.

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    I thought it was interesting looking at which Thrones supporting actors worked with which and where their votes may go based on who worked with who. I’m not sure if there’s logic here – do Dinklage fans tend to go with Dinklage screen partners, as opposed to, say, Williams?  Are Coster Waldau fans more sympathetic to Headey or Christie?

    Turner – worked primarily with Williams (same category – ep 3, 4, 6), Allen (2,4) and Dinklage (1, 3, 6) (supporting actor)

    Williams – worked primarily with Turner (same category – ep 3, 4, 6), didn’t really work with any of the supporting actors

    Headey – is isolated almost all season. Worked on one scene only each with Dinklage (no dialogue – episode 4) and Coster-Waldau (death scene – episode 5). Didn’t work with any of the supporting actresses at all.

    Christie – worked primarily with Coster Waldau (episode 2, 3, 4) and Dinklage (episode 2,4 and 6)

    Allen – worked primarily with Turner (2,4)

    Dinklage – worked primarily with Coster Waldau (2, 4, 5), Turner (1,3,4,6) and Christie (episode 2,4 and 6).

    Coster Waldau – worked primarily with Christie (episode 2, 3, 4), Dinklage (2, 4, 5) with a significant scene with Headey (death scene) in episode 5.

    There are some patterns here that defy other seasons – Coster Waldau and Dinklage traditionally spend a great deal more time with Headey, and it’s been a while since they’ve shared so much screen time.  Turner and Christie in recent seasons have had significant amounts of screen time together but speak only once this season, whereas Dinklage and Christie haven’t ever shared significant scenes until this season.

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    Jake
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    Disagree, this theory has to stop. Voters have proven many times that they watched what they nominate. Aaron Paul was the best based on tapes for all of his wins.

    Dinklage is incredibly and even inexplicably adored by the Academy, while Banks is the person that they love to nominate just so he can see how he is going to lose multiple times. The vote for Dinklage when they don’t like no one else.

    I agree about Liza Weil though 😀

    When Paul won, the voting system was different. Now it’s a popular vote. Back then you had James Spader, Jon Cryer, Jim Parsons and Melissa McCarthy winning because they gave the kind of performances that worked out in a single viewing. I must guess that people like Hugh Laurie and Steve Carell would win nowadays under popular vote while Jon Hamm would have never won for “Mad Men” if the system would remain the same.

    I’d say that I’m not against Paul prevailing – it’s still a win for “Breaking Bad”, how could I be? – but 2 of the most recent winning submissions from him provided basically the same kind of peformance (screaming, realizing what he thinks is truth, breaking up showing vulnerability, scaring people off with the gun) and so it’s a shame that Giancarlo didn’t win back then for more internal and subtle role that was not as effective while watching a single episode.

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