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    They’re def. gonna split the vote at the Emmys though as I’m sure that all three of HBC, Anderson and Corrin will make the cut. Julia better get her speech ready again if Ozark comes out. Poor Emma Corrin :/

    Yes, I think vote splitting it a real danger here. I’m still betting on Gillian for the Globes because I think they’ll go for her transformation. Not that Emma’s performance isn’t a transformation, it very much is. But the HFPA know Gillian and know her work. Every single role she plays is a transformation from herself and from her previous roles. Her range is insane. I think her ‘back catalogue’ so to speak, will give her the edge. Or maybe there will be a plot twist and neither Anderson nor Corrin will nab the Globe lol. But ultimately, who knows. The Emmys in particular are an age away and so much more affects the vote than simply who gives the best performance.

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    EDIT: Also The Balmoral Test wasn’t directed by Benjamin Caron.

    This explains a lot

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    But ultimately, who knows. The Emmys in particular are an age away and so much more affects the vote than simply who gives the best performance.

    Exactly. People need to stop making assumptions about what happens when the Emmys are just under 10 months away and this seen hasn’t even been out for a week.

    But the HFPA know Gillian and know her work. Every single role she plays is a transformation from herself and from her previous roles. Her range is insane. I think her ‘back catalogue’ so to speak, will give her the edge. Or maybe there will be a plot twist and neither Anderson nor Corrin will nab the Globe lol.

    Gillian has the edge at the Globes I’d say but the question is whether both even get nominated. I think they are likelier to vote split at the Globes than Emmys because vote-splitting only happens when a third party is strong enough to win. That seems quite possible for the Globes considering how people like Uzo Aduba and Marielle Heller are in the conversation but at the Emmys that seems incredibly unlikely for now considering how The Crown is the frontrunner and there isn’t a strong enough contender to overcome the split (unless someone from The Nevers surprises).

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", AMANDA SEYFRIED FOR "MANK", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Gillian has the edge at the Globes I’d say but the question is whether both even get nominated. I think they are likelier to vote split at the Globes than Emmys because vote-splitting only happens when a third party is strong enough to win. That seems quite possible for the Globes considering how people like Uzo Aduba and Marielle Heller are in the conversation but at the Emmys that seems incredibly unlikely for now considering how The Crown is the frontrunner and there isn’t a strong enough contender to overcome the split (unless someone from The Nevers surprises).

    Yes. I’m nearly finished with The Queen’s Gambit (I know, I know. I’m so late to the game) and it is spectacular.

    Just a side note, Gillian was interviewed on radio 2 yesterday morning and she mentioned that TC has gone up in viewership 400% in the first few days from season 1. She prefaced this with “I think” so that may not be an exact figure lol. But she’s also locked down with the showrunner right now so if anyone is in a position to hear how it’s doing ratings wise, she is. Not that any of us will be surprised by a leap in viewings this season. Not only is half the world in lockdown with no where to go but it’s the box office Diana / Thatcher season.

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    knowing how messed up The Crown’s writing and directing submissions are (kind of funny how the show is so strong with both branches that it gets nominated regardless of the episode it puts forward)

    Except Mystery Man in Writing for S2, I think their submissions and hence, nominations have been pretty great.

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    Except Mystery Man in Writing for S2, I think their submissions and hence, nominations have been pretty great.

    Interesting. I felt like the directing submission for season 2 should have been Dear Mrs Kennedy instead (although that’s a personal opinion) and that the writing submission for season 3 should have been Moondust or Twysog Cymru (also think writing for season 2 should have been Beryl).

    Although I will admit I was a bit harsh and flippant with what I was saying. Aberfan and Cri de Coeur were phenomenal directing submissions and Wolferton Splash continues to be a masterpiece of a pilot.

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", AMANDA SEYFRIED FOR "MANK", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Justice for Tywysog Cymru!

    rubbish

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    Yes. I’m nearly finished with The Queen’s Gambit (I know, I know. I’m so late to the game) and it is spectacular. Just a side note, Gillian was interviewed on radio 2 yesterday morning and she mentioned that TC has gone up in viewership 400% in the first few days from season 1. She prefaced this with “I think” so that may not be an exact figure lol. But she’s also locked down with the showrunner right now so if anyone is in a position to hear how it’s doing ratings wise, she is. Not that any of us will be surprised by a leap in viewings this season. Not only is half the world in lockdown with no where to go but it’s the box office Diana / Thatcher season.

    Don’t know about the exact viewing figure but I think it has had a big increase.

    I’ve mentioned this before but according to Flixpatrol (who are the closest one can ever get to deciphering the popularity of Netflix shows outside of the weekly top 10) season 4 is Netflix’s 55th most popular season of a show so far this year beating <i>Unorthodox</i> and Dead to Me despite only having been released less than a week ago. Season 3 ended at the bottom of the top 25 at the end of 2019 if I’m not mistaken so it will be interesting to see what happens with this one.

    This actually fits in with the online discussion. Even with people who are close friends and family who never watched the show until now I literally can’t escape that gif of Di moving her head. In fact even though I am a fan of the show it’s starting to do my head in the amount of times I’m seeing that gif and its subsequent memes (I saw one the other day joking about Billie Piper and Laurence Fox which made me roll on the floor).

    What will be interesting though is what happens with Gillian in terms of winning chances. There’s been a more positive audience reception to her than I expected and a slightly more negative one towards Corrin (slightly) than I expected.

    I still stand by my view that if one of them wins the Globe the other one is easily winning the Emmy.

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", AMANDA SEYFRIED FOR "MANK", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Interesting. I felt like the directing submission for season 2 should have been Dear Mrs Kennedy instead (although that’s a personal opinion) and that the writing submission for season 3 should have been Moondust or Twysog Cymru (also think writing for season 2 should have been Beryl).

    Yeah I was talking more from a general pov. I, for one, detest Aberfan as an episode due to its storyline with the Queen. Tywsog Cymru would have been a superior submission by far but I can’t deny that Aberfan is universally loved by fans.

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    Interesting. I felt like the directing submission for season 2 should have been Dear Mrs Kennedy instead (although that’s a personal opinion) and that the writing submission for season 3 should have been Moondust or Twysog Cymru (also think writing for season 2 should have been Beryl). Although I will admit I was a bit harsh and flippant with what I was saying. Aberfan and Cri de Coeur were phenomenal directing submissions and Wolferton Splash continues to be a masterpiece of a pilot.

    Girl, no. ‘Paterfamilias’ was perfection in terms of directing. That episode was breathtaking from start to finish. Agree about the rest.

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    Yeah I was talking more from a general pov. I, for one, detest Aberfan as an episode due to its storyline with the Queen. Tywsog Cymru would have been a superior submission by far but I can’t deny that Aberfan is universally loved by fans.

    Ah yes.

    I don’t get the fuss about Aberfan’s writing. From a directing standpoint I can understand but it’s not that superior an episode in writing.

    Am intrigued to see what they submit for Writing and Directing. Considering how show the strong is with directors I wonder if they may submit a third episode (considering the barren field I also wouldn’t be surprised to see them get all their directors in if they wanted but I wouldn’t recommend it).

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", AMANDA SEYFRIED FOR "MANK", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Finished this. Absolutely fantastic season. Not sure if it’s better than season 2, but it’s at least the runner up. Didn’t think there was a weak episode throughout the season, and the acting, writing, and direction were all wonderful.

    Olivia Colman is better in this season in every possible way. It is absolutely a winning performance this time around. She’s much more prominent throughout and delivers every time. At the start I thought O’Connor and Corrin were stealing the show from her. Now I’m not so sure. The first cast will always have the benefit of setting the show’s standards, but Colman truly is a worthy follow up to Foy. Same goes to her supporting players.

    As I mentioned above, while I’m not as sure of it as I originally was, O’Connor and Corrin certainly at least came close to stealing this season. Both are truly impeccable the whole way through, and left me wanting more. I’ll have a harder time accepting their replacements than the others, mostly because they were the role originators, and much like Foy, Smith, and Kirby, they left such a mark on these parts that’ll it’ll be hard not to think of them. I’ll definitely be pulling for them both to win. To me, it would feel wrong for just one to take home the gold, because as magnificent as they are individually, their characters and performances are so linked that I can’t think of one without the other.

    If there’s one part of the season that I found a bit overhyped, I’d say it’s Gillian Anderson. Unlike O’Connor, Corrin, Menzies, and Bonham Carter, I never really found myself missing her when she wasn’t onscreen. Also, while her character is definitely quite different, her and every other actor to play a Prime Minister on this show have been hurt by the very large shadow of John Lithgow in the first season. With all that being said though, that doesn’t mean that Anderson didn’t deliver a wonderful performance throughout this season in a role where most actresses would’ve faltered. And ultimately, the final episode sold me on her performance more than anything else, as she did a fantastic job of showing why this woman was so abhorrent, but really bringing a genuine vulnerability and hurt beneath the surface. Ultimately, while I didn’t feel her lack of absence throughout before, I do think I’ll miss her more next season after her excellent exit.

    The biggest complaint I have for this season is the reduced roles of Tobias Menzies and Helena Bonham Carter, as I love their characters and performances, so it’s a shame to see their last season has them so much more out of focus than last time. With that being said, their parts are still fairly decently sized, and they continue to sell the hell out of them. Menzies always had at least one good scene per episode, and HBC got a great showcase episode, which wasn’t as strong as her episodes last season, but it still gave her the material to deliver an expertly crafted performance. Her role in the third episode is very small, but it was highly memorable. I do wish Menzies could’ve had an episode devoted to him, but I understand there were bigger fish to fish to fry this season. And thankfully, his scene near the very end of the season is the best moment he had since the premiere, and it’ll keep people who just finished thinking of him, which could help his awards chances. And yes, he should no doubt move down to supporting this time.

    Erin Doherty has even less to work with than Menzies and Bonham Carter, but she still manages to be a big standout. I don’t think she’ll be nominated unlike the others I mentioned, but I’d be happy if she got some recognition for her always great work. The rest of the cast are all wonderful. Tom Brooke’s episode is a delightful submission that’ll hopefully earn him a nod. Emerald Fennell would’ve been a good guest nominee, but due to appearing just enough, that won’t happen, and there’s no way she gets into supporting over any of Corrin, Anderson, Bonham Carter, or Doherty, and it doesn’t matter how empty the year is, I can’t see a single show scoring five supporting actress nominations.

    Ultimately, my votes for each episode’s MVP would be:

    Episode 1: Josh O’Connor

    Episode 2: Gillian Anderson

    Episode 3: Emma Corrin

    Episode 4: Olivia Colman

    Episode 5: Tom Brooke

    Episode 6: Emma Corrin

    Episode 7: Helena Bonham Carter

    Episode 8: Olivia Colman

    Episode 9: Josh O’Connor

    Episode 10: Olivia Colman

    As for the overall most valuable player this season, it’s currently pretty hard to tell, so I’m just gonna say it’s a three way tie between Olivia Colman, Josh O’Connor, and Emma Corrin.

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    Girl, no. ‘Paterfamilias’ was perfection in terms of directing. That episode was breathtaking from start to finish. Agree about the rest.

    Meh Beryl was better (but I may be biased in that regard because I like both Vanessa Kirby and Matthew Goode’s work as actors and that’s one of my favourite episodes of The Crown ever lol).

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", AMANDA SEYFRIED FOR "MANK", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    In terms of the final two episodes I thought Corrin, Anderson and O’Connor brought it home. Especially Corrin. Somehow she managed to have such a commanding on-screen presence despite not having that much screen acting experience which I found pretty impressive. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like that since Helena Bonham Carter’s performance in A Room with a View. What was even more impressive was how she nuanced her portrayal was. She managed to successfully and convincingly play Diana from 16 to 28 but she managed to somehow convey how despite having lost a lot of her innocence after her marriage she still had some childish attributes. I know the writing skewed in Diana’s favour but there were certain nuances that you felt were there in the performance that weren’t there in the writing.

    Josh O’Connor was terrifying. His character was written more like a villain this season but I feel like O’Connor portrayed him more as an idiot (I’m sanitising my language here) who you hated but then at times understood why he was the way he was. I absolutely detested the character but O’Connor deserves an Emmy for elevating his writing and I’m sure is probably on a similar career trajectory as Claire Foy and Vanessa Kirby are (I hope Corrin ends up having a great career too).

    Gillian Anderson was excellent as always and like I said before had I not known it was her I might not have even recognised her. That’s how transformative her performance was and I really liked how she managed to show someone who despite being quite despicable (and is someone who I still think is quite despicable in realise) can be quite vulnerable. It was interesting character development. Nothing more to say here.

    Other Highlights:

    – Olivia Colman delivering a win worthy performance in Favourites, Fagan and 48:1 and stealing that final scene with her and Josh O’Connor. She wasn’t even in my personal awards last year as a nominee but just give this woman an Emmy lol.

    – The guy who played Prince Andrew was so creepy. If only the creepiness was as fictitious as Margaret Thatcher invading the Falkland Islands because of her son’s disappearance.

    – Helena Bonham Carter, Tobias Menzies and Erin Doherty absolutely making the most of every scene they were in and HBC delivering one of her career best performances in The Hereditary Principle. What a shame HBC stands no chance at the win or even taking any significant votes since around 80% of The Crown‘s votes here will probably go to Anderson or Corrin.

    – Margaret and Dazzle’s dance in the opening of episode 7.

    – The sheer emotion and soundtrack of Corrin’s unchoreographed dances showing Diana’s breakdown.

    – Diana’s trip to town with her friends.

    – The subtleties with the direction (Diana walking in her dress and the chandelier looking like a crown, Diana stopping on the stairs near in front of a stag’s head).

    – The writing and acting of Fagan and Fairytale.

    Season Grade: A (level with how I see season 2 which was my personal Drama Series now so this probably will be too).
    Season MVP: Emma Corrin, Josh O’Connor and Gillian Anderson
    Favourite Episodes: Fagan and Fairytale

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", AMANDA SEYFRIED FOR "MANK", ANTHONY HOPKINS FOR "THE FATHER", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    Meh Beryl was better (but I may be biased in that regard because I like both Vanessa Kirby and Matthew Goode’s work as actors and that’s one of my favourite episodes of The Crown ever lol).

    Beryl is one of my favorite episodes of The Crown, ever, and should have been the writing submission for Season 2, but I’ll echo what others have said about Paterfamilias- it is a directing masterpiece from start to finish and no other episode of The Crown has, since then, even come close. While I love Benjamin Carron and Jessica Hobbs’ work on the show, I have missed Stephen Daldry’s work on the show post season 2 (He should have won for Hyde Park Corner too, but Reed Morano equally deserved that Emmy)

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