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    lvigario
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    I think broadcast TV needs to step it up next season.
    They did very poorly on GG. And they are losing and losing relevance in awards shows and quality per se.

    So far besides Evil and maybe Prodigal Son (I haven’t watch any of thoses shows) there wasn’t any good new TV shows.

    Last year I think the best one was A Million Little Things (and people didn’t like it so much – I loved it).

    What do you think broadcast TV should do?

    I think they should take a gamble and create shows with less episodes. Like shows for the fall season and shows for the spring season only.
    They should create more dramedies but very well written (like Parenthood, Brothers And Sisters, This Is Us…)
    More diversed casts and stories. Comedys with less episodes too.

    FYC TV: Stateless | We Are Who We Are | Cate Blanchett in Stateless | Paapa Essiedu in I May Destroy You

    FYC Movie: Boys In The Band | Toni Collette in I’m Thinking Of Ending Things | Jim Parsons in The Boys In The Band | Shailene Woodley in Endings, Beginnings | Zoey Deutch in Buffaloed | Sebastian Stan in Endings, Beginnings

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    They should try casting talented writers and actors.

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    Tina Fey’s next show The Mayor will be on NBC starring Ted Danson and Holly Hunter. That show definitely has the potential to be an awards contender.

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    They have to start making good shows lol. It’s also different because there’s limits to what can be said/portrayed on Broadcast TV.

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    I’ve said this before here- broadcast TV and prestige tv are two different entities. We tend to think that nobody is watching these shows but that’s because of our bubble of tv snobs. NBC’s New Amsterdam has ratings much higher than HBO’s Big Little Lies. It is like comparing Fox Searchlight to Marvel, one is in the business of making awards players, and the other makes shows that will appeal to the masses. These broadcast shows aren’t looking to appeal to the tv snobs of the world, but the fly-over state tv viewers who are still watching a good simple/digestible procedural or sitcom.

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    They should give the creative team more freedom to do the shows they want to do and limit the influence of executives. Otherwise, established names will continue to avoid it like the plague. Especially at a time when Netflix is churning out new series every week.

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    There are many shows (and performances) on broadcast TV that don’t stand a chance of getting nominated.

    Like any other awards, the Emmys have some flaws.

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    This list is taken off of EPGuides.com; it is the fall schedule from September, not counting those shows canceled/on hiatus. So let’s lay ’em out, network comedies and dramas and brainstorm how we can get these back into the awards spotlight:

    Monday
    Dramas: The Good Doctor, All Rise, Bull, 911, Prodigal Son, Bluff City Law
    Comedies: The Neighborhood, Bob Hearts Abishola

    Tuesday
    Comedies: The Conners, Bless This Mess, The ‘Ish’ Hour (Mixed-ish, Black-ish)
    Dramas: Emergence, NCIS, FBI, NCIS: New Orleans, The Flash, Arrow, The Resident, Empire, This Is Us, New Amsterdam

    Wednesday
    Comedies: The Goldbergs, Schooled, Modern Family, Single Parents
    Dramas: Stumptown, SEAL Team, S.W.A.T., Riverdale, Nancy Drew, Chicago Night (Med, Fire, PD)

    Thursday
    Dramas: Grey’s Anatomy, A Million Little Things, How to Get Away with Murder, Evil, L&O: SVU, Supernatural, Legacies, Filthy Rich
    Comedies: Young Sheldon, The Unicorn, Mom, Last Man Standing, Superstore, The Good Place, Perfect Harmony, Sunnyside

    Friday
    Comedies: American Housewife, Fresh Off the Boat
    Dramas: Hawaii Five-O, Magnum P.I., Blue Bloods, Charmed, Dynasty, The Blacklist

    Sunday
    Dramas: The Rookie, God Friended Me, NCIS: LA, Madam Secretary, Batwoman, Supergirl, Zoey’s Extraordinary Playlist, Good Girls
    Comedies: The Simpsons, Bless the Harts, Bob’s Burgers, Family Guy

    Look over this list and tell me there aren’t five shows that can compete with the streaming series if the Globes and Emmys etal give them the chance. The majority have flaws, yes. They all can’t be This is Us’ and Good Places. But you just have to know where to look.

    My five: Zoey’s, Fresh off the Boat, Superstore, Filthy Rich (possibly), New Amsterdam, The Good Doctor. Perfect Harmony (for Bradley Whitford).

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    This list is taken off of EPGuides.com; it is the fall schedule from September, not counting those shows canceled/on hiatus. So let’s lay ’em out, network comedies and dramas and brainstorm how we can get these back into the awards spotlight:

    Monday
    Dramas: The Good Doctor, All Rise, Bull, 911, Prodigal Son, Bluff City Law
    Comedies: The Neighborhood, Bob Hearts Abishola

    Tuesday
    Comedies: The Conners, Bless This Mess, The ‘Ish’ Hour (Mixed-ish, Black-ish)
    Dramas: Emergence, NCIS, FBI, NCIS: New Orleans, The Flash, Arrow, The Resident, Empire, This Is Us, New Amsterdam

    Wednesday
    Comedies: The Goldbergs, Schooled, Modern Family, Single Parents
    Dramas: Stumptown, SEAL Team, S.W.A.T., Riverdale, Nancy Drew, Chicago Night (Med, Fire, PD)

    Thursday
    Dramas: Grey’s Anatomy, A Million Little Things, How to Get Away with Murder, Evil, L&O: SVU, Supernatural, Legacies, Filthy Rich
    Comedies: Young Sheldon, The Unicorn, Mom, Last Man Standing, Superstore, The Good Place, Perfect Harmony, Sunnyside

    Friday
    Comedies: American Housewife, Fresh Off the Boat
    Dramas: Hawaii Five-O, Magnum P.I., Blue Bloods, Charmed, Dynasty, The Blacklist

    Sunday
    Dramas: The Rookie, God Friended Me, NCIS: LA, Madam Secretary, Batwoman, Supergirl, Zoey’s Extraordinary Playlist, Good Girls
    Comedies: The Simpsons, Bless the Harts, Bob’s Burgers, Family Guy

    Look over this list and tell me there aren’t five shows that can compete with the streaming series if the Globes and Emmys etal give them the chance. The majority have flaws, yes. They all can’t be This is Us’ and Good Places. But you just have to know where to look.

    My five: Zoey’s, Fresh off the Boat, Superstore, Filthy Rich (possibly), New Amsterdam, The Good Doctor. Perfect Harmony (for Bradley Whitford).

    They’re aren’t five shows that can compete with the streaming shows.

    Big fan of Better Call Saul, Sex Education, Barry, BoJack Horseman, and, especially, Survivor

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    What do you think broadcast TV should do?

    I think they should take a gamble and create shows with less episodes. Like shows for the fall season and shows for the spring season only.
    They should create more dramedies but very well written (like Parenthood, Brothers And Sisters, This Is Us…)

    More diversed casts and stories. Comedys with less episodes too.

    We have a realignment going on in which people are using television differently. That it continues on a trajectory toward streaming. There is reaction.

    The broadcast networks are still dealing with their traditional model in their business. The episodes count for original series are under the traditional model. Say, 22 to 24 episodes per season. (Some series, like ABC’s The Good Doctor, come up with fewer episodes count—that series, now its 3rd season, produced 18 with each of its first two seasons.)

    ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, et al. do not have a priority to produce award-worthy original series anywhere as much as their priority is ratings and dollars. (They’re not interested in…prestige.) So, if a lot of what they broadcast is too formulaic…so be it. If there some years in which they do not see so little as one series receive an Emmy nomination for Outstanding Comedy Series or Outstanding Drama Series…so be it. So long as they continue to garner ratings and generate dollars—and profits—that is what matters to them.

    Congratulations to the likes of HBO and streaming services like Netflix for their recognition year to year by the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences! But, for the broadcast networks…that no longer matters to them.

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    Monday
    Dramas: The Good Doctor, All Rise, Bull, 911, Prodigal Son, Bluff City Law
    Comedies: The Neighborhood, Bob Hearts Abishola

    Tuesday
    Comedies: The Conners, Bless This Mess, The ‘Ish’ Hour (Mixed-ish, Black-ish)
    Dramas: Emergence, NCIS, FBI, NCIS: New Orleans, The Flash, Arrow, The Resident, Empire, This Is Us, New Amsterdam

    Wednesday
    Comedies: The Goldbergs, Schooled, Modern Family, Single Parents
    Dramas: Stumptown, SEAL Team, S.W.A.T., Riverdale, Nancy Drew, Chicago Night (Med, Fire, PD)

    Thursday
    Dramas: Grey’s Anatomy, A Million Little Things, How to Get Away with Murder, Evil, L&O: SVU, Supernatural, Legacies, Filthy Rich
    Comedies: Young Sheldon, The Unicorn, Mom, Last Man Standing, Superstore, The Good Place, Perfect Harmony, Sunnyside

    Friday
    Comedies: American Housewife, Fresh Off the Boat
    Dramas: Hawaii Five-O, Magnum P.I., Blue Bloods, Charmed, Dynasty, The Blacklist

    Sunday
    Dramas: The Rookie, God Friended Me, NCIS: LA, Madam Secretary, Batwoman, Supergirl, Zoey’s Extraordinary Playlist, Good Girls
    Comedies: The Simpsons, Bless the Harts, Bob’s Burgers, Family Guy

    What the hell are most of these shows? I’ve heard of about 20 of the them max, (there’s 73 total) and actively watch about half of them (Blackish, Charmed, Dynasty, Empire, Good Doctor, Good Girls, Good Place, How to Get Away with Murder, L&O: SVU, Riverdale, Supergirl, Superstore)

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    Just looking at that list here are my thoughts on each of those shows from Still Watch to Awful

    Still Watch:
    L&O: SVU: Love it
    How to Get Away with Murder: Love it
    The Conners: LOVE this show
    The Simpsons: LOVE it
    Bob’s Burgers: Love it
    Family Guy: Love it
    Nancy Drew: My new fav from 2019.
    This Is Us: Love it.
    Supernatural: Love it
    Grey’s Anatomy: Love it
    Black-ish: Love this show.
    Arrow: I love this show but I am the minority of that since it seems to be the least popular of the group on the cw.
    Riverdale: It’s insane and yet I watch it. Saying that, I only liked the first season lol.
    Batwoman: The crossover event got me curious and I watched the first two episodes and it’s actually fun

    Meh to Awful:
    The Good Doctor: Not a fan of this one but my sister loves it.
    The Resident: If nothing else is on….I would watch more of it.
    NCIS: This show is the one I always watched season 1-3 and then i got bored of.
    All Rise: Watched the first epsiode and didn’t like it.
    S.W.A.T: It got boring
    Superstore: It got boring
    Bull: Watched the first episode of seaosn one and didn’t like it.
    911: Eh
    Prodigal Son: Watched two episodes. It’s ok.
    Empire: I mean it’s the last season so I give it slack but I stopped watching after the first episode last season.
    Bluff City Law: Canceled already but first two episodes were decent.
    The Neighborhood: I hate this one and only watched the first episode for Max
    FBI: CBS loves the commercials for this show. So I watched four episodes in seaosn one. Not great.
    The Flash: Stopped watching. Season 1 was great and Grant was Emmy worthy in it but this season is awful.
    Bless This Mess: Awful but Dax Sheppard is a fav of my sisters so I hear it from the other room while I’m reading every Tuesday
    Mixed-ish: This isn’t good.
    Evil: Eh not for me
    New Amsterdam: Just way too cheesy.
    A Million Little Things: Tries to hard to bring “twists”
    Chicago Med: Cheesy.
    SEAL Team: Should be way better than it is but relies too much on the cheesy.
    Modern Family: Stopped watching last season.
    NCIS: LA: Got Boring
    Supergirl: Got boring
    Blue Bloods: Got Boring
    The Goldbergs: Too Cheesy for me.
    The Good Place: Honestly it’s overrated
    Madam Secretary: Overrated
    Mom: Overrated
    Young Sheldon: Overrated
    Good Girls: Overrated
    The Rookie: Overrated
    Dynasty: Overrated
    The Unicorn: Overrated
    Hawaii Five-O: Overrated
    Bob Hearts Abishola: Watched one episode of it and it was awful.
    NCIS: New Orleans: Didn’t know this was still on.
    Charmed: Meh
    Emergence: This was awful changed the channel midway through the pilot.
    Single Parents: This was awful changed the channel midway through the pilot
    God Friended Me: Awful
    Fresh Off the Boat: Season 1 was fun but then it got bad
    Sunnyside: This was awful changed the channel midway through the pilot
    Last Man Standing: This was awful changed the channel midway through the pilot
    The Blacklist: It got really bad
    Magnum P.I.: Bad
    Legacies: This was awful changed the channel midway through the pilot
    Bless the Harts: Awful
    American Housewife: It’s the worst show in my opinion on all of tv

    Haven’t Watched with no intention to watch:
    Schooled
    Filthy Rich
    Stumptown
    Chicago Fire
    Chicago PD
    Perfect Harmony
    Zoey’s Extraordinary Playlist

    Will add that I love Station 19 and watch that every week but that is a mid season or Spring show I think

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    I’ve said this before here- broadcast TV and prestige tv are two different entities. We tend to think that nobody is watching these shows but that’s because of our bubble of tv snobs. NBC’s New Amsterdam has ratings much higher than HBO’s Big Little Lies. It is like comparing Fox Searchlight to Marvel, one is in the business of making awards players, and the other makes shows that will appeal to the masses. These broadcast shows aren’t looking to appeal to the tv snobs of the world, but the fly-over state tv viewers who are still watching a good simple/digestible procedural or sitcom.

    This is my favorite response to this thread. The financial model and measure of success are different for broadcast than for cable and cable is different than premium cable and premium cable is different than streaming.

    Millions of people still watch broadcast TV shows. Millions of people still enjoy broadcast TV shows. Millions of people watch for an escape or for pure entertainment. They want to laugh, they want to have their emotions tugged at, they want to be thrilled, they want entertainment. Nothing is wrong with having shows that meet these needs. Plus, some of these are easy sells to international markets, so that helps with the bottom line. Does the freedom that cable/premium cable/stream provides help? Yes, but I don’t think a show has to be TV-MA for it to be good either.

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    What’s troubling about broadcast isn’t that their programming pales in comparison to streaming and cable, but that it pales in comparison to broadcast programming from a decade or two ago.

    Sure, millions will continue to watch broadcast even as their audience share continues to diminish. That’s probably why the network executives aren’t even really trying anymore.

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