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    I’ve made this in the past. A new one for the new nominations. THey need to fix a lot.

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    There needs to be some major changes.

    These nominations were a mess. And I think the core problem from this was that there were too many nominees and categories. While this mess allowed for some great and/or inspired (doesn’t mean it’s good but that the voters are at least paying attention) nominees to get in (Issa Rae, Pamela Adlon, Tatiana Maslany, Sandra Oh, Ed Harris, Ted Danson, Vanessa Kirby, Yvonne Strahovsky, Matt Smith, Zazie Beetz, Jesse Plemons, and writing nominations for American Vandal and Killing Eve) it also allowed for some dreadful, lazy, uninspired, and outright bad nominations (too many to list). The bad far outweighs the good. These nominations are a mess and it is insane that some of these nominations happened with what is supposed to be the most prestigious awards in the Television industry.

    Also, I probably have many factual errors, typos, and mistakes in here. All I am trying to do is make simple notices of things I think should be fixed.

    The following are rules that I would like to see changed

    1.       Absorption of limited series and TV movie into other categories:

    i.      I’d normally say TV movie and limited series should be combined, but yikes, even then it’d still be a mess. Starting in the acting categories, some of these nominations are just lazy or even make no sense. The supporting categories especially are just dreadful. While I will not use names specifically, because people have different opinions, I think there is definitely a consensus that the limited categories are a mess. These are supposed to be prestigious awards, but when there are more spots than realistic quality contenders (there are many quality possibilities, but we have to remember that not all of them are realistic contenders, unfortunately), we get so many messy categories. Sure, next year might be competitive again, but what about the year after that? There are too many categories.

    ii.      A good amount of the nominees in the limited series and TV movie categories aren’t limited series and TV movies. Black Mirror is a TV show with multiple episodes each season, The Sinner is coming back for a season 2 with one of the leads, Seven Seconds and The Last Tycoon planned on second seasons with the same character but were both cancelled, The leads of American Vandal season 1 will be the leads of season 2, Twin Peaks: The Return is an 18 episode 3rd season with the same characters, and AHS has characters come back in small roles and is about to basically have a second season of Asylum. And that’s just among the nominees, don’t forget those that were submitted in limited but didn’t make it (just this year): Top of the Lake: China Girl is the second season of a drama series, Electric Dreams submitted in TV movie and has multiple episodes each season like Black Mirror, and Doctor Who submitted in TV movie and has been on for almost a decade. This category has gone from “Best Limited Series” and “Best TV Movie” to “Drama Series That Aren’t Good Enough to Compete in Drama Series”.

    iii.      They just aren’t good. Some of these get nominated purely on a strong campaign (Genius, The Alienest, Dolly Parton’s movie last year). The Emmys can’t be prestigious if they can be bought so easily. Over half of the nominees for series and movie were panned. That is not OK. The following is a list of of critic and user scores for the nominees:

    ·       Fahrenheit 451- 4.9 on IMDB, 35% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 47 on Metacritic

    ·       Flint- 6.4 on IMDB, 67% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 61 on Metacritic

    ·       Paterno- 6.5 on IMDB, 74% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 68 on Metacritic

    ·       Black Mirror- 8.3 on IMDB (USS), 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 72 on Metacritic

    ·       The Tale- 7.3 on IMDB, 98% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 90 on Metacritic

    ·       Genius- 56% on Rotten Tomatoes, 52 on Metacritic

    ·       The Alienest- 7.8 on IMDB, 64% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 61 on Metacritic

    ·       American Crime Story- 87% on Rotten Tomatoes, 74 on Metacritic

    ·       Patrick Melrose- 8.4 on IMDB, 90% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 80 on Metacritic

    ·       Godless- 8.4 on IMDB, 89% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 75 on Metacritic

     

    2.       Less guest nominees-

    a.       This is simple. There are at least 24 spots for guest spots. This is not prestigious. This allows no-names with 1 scene to get in solely because of the show she is on. It is ridiculous. I’d personally put actors and actresses together. I Don’t understand why they are separated anyway, it isn’t like penises and boobs make people act better than the other.

     

    3.       Back to 5 slots in each category-

    a.       Comedy supporting actress should not have 8 nominees. It is ridiculous, especially considering who is nominated. 6-8 spots allow for lazy, and uninspired name checks. Sure, as I mentioned earlier, it led us to some great nominees, but they are in the vast majority considering all of the lazy nominations.

     

    4.       A Variety performance category-

    a.       Okay so I know I was just complaining about more categories, but I really think it is ridiculous that SNL dominates acting categories. Please exile them into their own categories. I will actually throw up if Baldwin wins again. I don’t want 40 spots for lead, supporting, guest, and for male and female, I want one 5 spot category.

     

    5.       A way to screen out lazy picks-

    a.       When there are so many categories, voters are going to namecheck, and this will lead to some uninspired and very undeserving nominations. There were also a few cases of nominees that were nominated for bad performances, that gave great performance (and even win worthy), the season behind. I wish there was a way to screen nominations to prevent lazy namechecks, nominations from delayed viewing, and nominations from purely external factors. I know there was a system in place like this not too long ago where there were the top 10 were evaluated by a panel and only the best tapes went through. Of course, the was replaced with a simpler process because it resulted in some crazy results, but I do think it could be modified to prevent lazy and bad nominations, or at least some similar system.

     

    In the End, I really wish for less categories. I think these nominations were messy, perhaps the messiest, they’ve ever been. With the exception of my want for a variety performance category, I believe less is more. The more, the messier. The less, the neater nd more prestigious. I also think the Emmys are not popular because they are inaccessible due to how many shows they nominate. I believe this would be fixed if they just simply had less categories.

    I know I included my biases and opinions in this post, but I really do think that there is a consensus about the messiness of these nominations, and I think it needs to be fixed.

     

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    Emmyfan
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    My main ones are to bring back the Best Individual Performance in a Variety and have it broken up by recurring and one time roles.

    I saw that there should be a way to require voters to watch the submissions or just do away with the submissions because I do not think that voters are watching them.

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    Someone
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    SNL actors in comedy categories is annoying and should be changed.

    Yes ?

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    Diet Teridax
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    I don’t think they need to “fix” anything at all LOL! The Emmys nominated about as much crap this year as most other years, if slightly less so in the cases of inspired choices like Vanessa Kirby, The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, and Rick and Morty.

    Okay, I’ll bite. ONE thing that NEEDS to change like next year, ASAP, is having the names on the ballot for Directing. Daniel Sackheim got nominated for Ozark because he is a veteran who won an Emmy for NYPD Blue many years ago, period. Bateman got nominated because he is Bateman and the final episode was very well-received, but besides mere name recognition how do you explain Sackheim’s nod over Mike Barker and Matt Shakman? Obviously you can have the names on the ballot during final voting, but during nominee voting I would prefer that both Writing and Directing had the names not included on the ballot to avoid lazy name-checks of people they know and like. I think there is a chance The Spoils of War from Game of Thrones would have been nominated for Directing had Matt Shakman been such an underwhelming name for branch voters.

    Note to myself: Don’t ever feed the trolls. Don’t get involved in others drama. Don’t let myself be swayed by others predictions, trust my gut more often!

    Note to all others: If you don’t happen to like me, ignore me. It is that simple.

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    Roney Moore
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    Definitely the illogical and inexcusable “Vote for as many people as you can” rule that no other award body uses. It just caused; more “Why Not?” random coattail nominations like Leslie Jones; bringing back old nominees from old shows for no reason like Patinkin; nominating 3 minute cameos from unknown actors just because they lobbied and were in a popular show.

    A small branch like costume designers can now technically organize to vote for all entries on their ballot to make sure all of their colleagues get recognition and Academy can do nothing about it. It doesn’t make any sense.

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    ONE thing that NEEDS to change like next year, ASAP, is having the names on the ballot for Directing.

    Oooh that’s a good one.

    A small branch like costume designers can now technically organize to vote for all entries on their ballot to make sure all of their colleagues get recognition and Academy can do nothing about it. It doesn’t make any sense.

    Can we please try and get that to happen just so we can see the insane shit show that would ensue.

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    Definitely the illogical and inexcusable “Vote for as many people as you can” rule that no other award body uses. It just caused; more “Why Not?” random coattail nominations like Leslie Jones; bringing back old nominees from old shows for no reason like Patinkin; nominating 3 minute cameos from unknown actors just because they lobbied and were in a popular show.

    A small branch like costume designers can now technically organize to vote for all entries on their ballot to make sure all of their colleagues get recognition and Academy can do nothing about it. It doesn’t make any sense.

    I think simply because there is so much variety of quality tv in this era of “Peak TV” we live in, that you should be allowed to check off 10 contenders max on the nominating ballot even though there aren’t that many nominees. 10 seems like a fair reasonable limit for everyone to settle on.

    Note to myself: Don’t ever feed the trolls. Don’t get involved in others drama. Don’t let myself be swayed by others predictions, trust my gut more often!

    Note to all others: If you don’t happen to like me, ignore me. It is that simple.

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    keithw
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    5 nominees per category maximum

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    Anonymous
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    No, 10 is too many. That allows lazier picks. If it was just 1-3 than voters would only vote on their most passionate picks, and we’d have less lazy namechecks.

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    I wouldn’t say the nominations were a mess. I mean Limited/Movie was a tragique mess, yes. But we got some inspired nominees in Comedy and Drama. Yes Marc Maron, the best male actor in the past year was snubbed, but he’ll eventually get in someday and win.

    The one thing that has to change is the damn variety sketch performers in Comedy categories…it makes 0 sense at this point…it robs so many actors (Lakeith Stanfield and Yvonne Orji) of getting recognition.

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    There needs to be some major changes.

    These nominations were a mess. And I think the core problem from this was that there were too many nominees and categories. While this mess allowed for some great and/or inspired (doesn’t mean it’s good but that the voters are at least paying attention) nominees to get in (Issa Rae, Pamela Adlon, Tatiana Maslany, Sandra Oh, Ed Harris, Ted Danson, Vanessa Kirby, Yvonne Strahovsky, Matt Smith, Zazie Beetz, Jesse Plemons, and writing nominations for American Vandal and Killing Eve) it also allowed for some dreadful, lazy, uninspired, and outright bad nominations (too many to list). The bad far outweighs the good. These nominations are a mess and it is insane that some of these nominations happened with what is supposed to be the most prestigious awards in the Television industry.

    Also, I probably have many factual errors, typos, and mistakes in here. All I am trying to do is make simple notices of things I think should be fixed.

    The following are rules that I would like to see changed

    1. Absorption of limited series and TV movie into other categories:

    i. I’d normally say TV movie and limited series should be combined, but yikes, even then it’d still be a mess. Starting in the acting categories, some of these nominations are just lazy or even make no sense. The supporting categories especially are just dreadful. While I will not use names specifically, because people have different opinions, I think there is definitely a consensus that the limited categories are a mess. These are supposed to be prestigious awards, but when there are more spots than realistic quality contenders (there are many quality possibilities, but we have to remember that not all of them are realistic contenders, unfortunately), we get so many messy categories. Sure, next year might be competitive again, but what about the year after that? There are too many categories.

    ii. A good amount of the nominees in the limited series and TV movie categories aren’t limited series and TV movies. Black Mirror is a TV show with multiple episodes each season, The Sinner is coming back for a season 2 with one of the leads, Seven Seconds and The Last Tycoon planned on second seasons with the same character but were both cancelled, The leads of American Vandal season 1 will be the leads of season 2, Twin Peaks: The Return is an 18 episode 3rd season with the same characters, and AHS has characters come back in small roles and is about to basically have a second season of Asylum. And that’s just among the nominees, don’t forget those that were submitted in limited but didn’t make it (just this year): Top of the Lake: China Girl is the second season of a drama series, Electric Dreams submitted in TV movie and has multiple episodes each season like Black Mirror, and Doctor Who submitted in TV movie and has been on for almost a decade. This category has gone from “Best Limited Series” and “Best TV Movie” to “Drama Series That Aren’t Good Enough to Compete in Drama Series”.

    iii. They just aren’t good. Some of these get nominated purely on a strong campaign (Genius, The Alienest, Dolly Parton’s movie last year). The Emmys can’t be prestigious if they can be bought so easily. Over half of the nominees for series and movie were panned. That is not OK. The following is a list of of critic and user scores for the nominees:

    · Fahrenheit 451- 4.9 on IMDB, 35% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 47 on Metacritic

    · Flint- 6.4 on IMDB, 67% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 61 on Metacritic

    · Paterno- 6.5 on IMDB, 74% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 68 on Metacritic

    · Black Mirror- 8.3 on IMDB (USS), 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 72 on Metacritic

    · The Tale- 7.3 on IMDB, 98% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 90 on Metacritic

    · Genius- 56% on Rotten Tomatoes, 52 on Metacritic

    · The Alienest- 7.8 on IMDB, 64% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 61 on Metacritic

    · American Crime Story- 87% on Rotten Tomatoes, 74 on Metacritic

    · Patrick Melrose- 8.4 on IMDB, 90% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 80 on Metacritic

    · Godless- 8.4 on IMDB, 89% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 75 on Metacritic

    2. Less guest nominees-

    a. This is simple. There are at least 24 spots for guest spots. This is not prestigious. This allows no-names with 1 scene to get in solely because of the show she is on. It is ridiculous. I’d personally put actors and actresses together. I Don’t understand why they are separated anyway, it isn’t like penises and boobs make people act better than the other.

    3. Back to 5 slots in each category-

    a. Comedy supporting actress should not have 8 nominees. It is ridiculous, especially considering who is nominated. 6-8 spots allow for lazy, and uninspired name checks. Sure, as I mentioned earlier, it led us to some great nominees, but they are in the vast majority considering all of the lazy nominations.

    4. A Variety performance category-

    a. Okay so I know I was just complaining about more categories, but I really think it is ridiculous that SNL dominates acting categories. Please exile them into their own categories. I will actually throw up if Baldwin wins again. I don’t want 40 spots for lead, supporting, guest, and for male and female, I want one 5 spot category.

    5. A way to screen out lazy picks-

    a. When there are so many categories, voters are going to namecheck, and this will lead to some uninspired and very undeserving nominations. There were also a few cases of nominees that were nominated for bad performances, that gave great performance (and even win worthy), the season behind. I wish there was a way to screen nominations to prevent lazy namechecks, nominations from delayed viewing, and nominations from purely external factors. I know there was a system in place like this not too long ago where there were the top 10 were evaluated by a panel and only the best tapes went through. Of course, the was replaced with a simpler process because it resulted in some crazy results, but I do think it could be modified to prevent lazy and bad nominations, or at least some similar system.

    In the End, I really wish for less categories. I think these nominations were messy, perhaps the messiest, they’ve ever been. With the exception of my want for a variety performance category, I believe less is more. The more, the messier. The less, the neater nd more prestigious. I also think the Emmys are not popular because they are inaccessible due to how many shows they nominate. I believe this would be fixed if they just simply had less categories.

    I know I included my biases and opinions in this post, but I really do think that there is a consensus about the messiness of these nominations, and I think it needs to be fixed.

    With as much television as there is today, and with so much of what’s on being good/great/excellent, cutting/combining categories and cutting the number of nominees is beyond ludicrous to me. The Emmys aren’t the BAFTAs, which can get away with having 4 nominees per category because of how much less content the UK produces vs the US. Nor does anyone want to watch The HBO and Netflix Awards, which is what an Emmys that did that would end up being.

    I also don’t know why there’s this idea that the Emmys are/should be the TV prestige awards when they’re consistently going for middlebrow pablum like This Is Us and The Crown or giving SNL 800 nominations a year. The bigger concern for the Emmys in that regard is taste, not them nominating 7 shows instead of 5.

    And frankly, the plurality vote. Nominations are much more homogeneous the last couple of years because all that’s getting through are the same 8-12 shows that the majority of the industry watches. Game of Thrones, Westworld, SNL, and Handmaid’s Tale eat up 84 nominations alone, which is absurd. The old system had its faults, but you could get some good surprises with it, whereas what we have now is nomination waves (Kelly Jenrette, who I liked in Grandfathered, making it is beyond stupid) and name checks. It’s prevalent both above and below the line, where the latter would (sometimes) allow smaller/less traditionally Emmy friendly shows to pop up and get *some* type of recognition.

    I do agree with you on Variety Performance, though.

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    With as much television as there is today, and with so much of what’s on being good/great/excellent, cutting/combining categories and cutting the number of nominees is beyond ludicrous to me. The Emmys aren’t the BAFTAs, which can get away with having 4 nominees per category because of how much less content the UK produces vs the US. Nor does anyone want to watch The HBO and Netflix Awards, which is what an Emmys that did that would end up being. I also don’t know why there’s this idea that the Emmys are/should be the TV prestige awards when they’re consistently going for middlebrow pablum like This Is Us and The Crown or giving SNL 800 nominations a year. The bigger concern for the Emmys in that regard is taste, not them nominating 7 shows instead of 5.

    First of all, The Crown is literally the definition of prestige. It is in no way middlebrow.

    And that’s my point, the Emmys, SHOULD be prestige. It is, the most prestigious, as in most coveted award, in the TV industry.

    Yes, there is a lot of TV, but the Emmys are for, as is in the name of the categories, the most outstanding. As you said, there is a lot of middle brow shows nominated, and less spots will lead to less middle brow nominations, thus more prestige.

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    There needs to be some equality between broadcast, cable and streaming shows. 3 comedy and drama series nominations for each venue? Forbid namechecking (hey, Lily Tomlin!)? How do you enforce that? This is a quagmire that is way above my pay grade to figure out.

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    No, 10 is too many. That allows lazier picks. If it was just 1-3 than voters would only vote on their most passionate picks, and we’d have less lazy namechecks.

    50 is too many, even 20 feels like too many. I feel like there would be more lazy name-checks with less options because voters would only ever go for what they know. With more options they will be tempted to branch out to more under-the-radar choices they themselves passionately love even though in the minds of those voters their own faves don’t stand a chance at getting nominated.

    Note to myself: Don’t ever feed the trolls. Don’t get involved in others drama. Don’t let myself be swayed by others predictions, trust my gut more often!

    Note to all others: If you don’t happen to like me, ignore me. It is that simple.

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