What’s the Biggest Case of Category Fraud at the Emmys?

[John Nguyen Joined: Aug 2nd, 2017 Topics: 3 Posts: 294 View Predictions]

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Piper Laurie as lead in twin peaks. Lara Flynn Boyle was more lead than piper

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[Julien Veyrenc Joined: May 25th, 2019 Topics: 1 Posts: 37 View Predictions]

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This may be a little off topic but I never really understood how the ensemble cast series determined the difference between lead/supporting:

To be clear, this is not criticising, those are genuine interrogations 🙂

Why the cast of Friends was submitted as supporting during the first seasons and then lead after that? Even if that’s not really a problem because I don’t think a difference was ever made between the six main actors and that’s the most important.

I think I remember Sheen and Lowe being submitted as lead in The West Wing, I don’t think they were more important than Janney, Spencer, Whitford or Schiff, I believe Sheen was even originally supposed to only be a guest star.

Same goes about Lost, I get why Fox would be submitted as a lead but why not as well Holloway, O’Quinn and Emerson at least? (or even Garcia, Lilly)

In Brothers & Sisters, the cast was led by Field but Flockhart, Griffiths or Rhys were really important parts of the family drama.

Last but not least, in GOT I think Dinklage could easily have been a lead on many seasons, Headey as well after S4…

Any thoughts?

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[Bassett Joined: Dec 21st, 2016 Topics: 9 Posts: 4291 View Predictions]

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None of the Friends main 6 were supporting, especially not fucking Aniston out of all people. Her early supporting noms were ridiculous

All 6 of them should have gunned for Lead from the beginning, like the Desperate Housewives ladies did

FYC :

Best Actress - Viola Davis, Frances McDormand
Best Actor - Delroy Lindo, Chadwick Boseman
Best Supporting Actor - Colman Domingo, Glynn Turman
Best Picture - Nomadland
Best Director - Chloé Zhao
SAG Ensemble - Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom
Best Cinematography - Nomadland

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[DylanMcPhee Joined: Mar 13th, 2020 Topics: 4 Posts: 230 View Predictions]

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It didn’t bother me and made strategic sense, but Shailene Woodley was an undeniable lead in Big Little Lies’ first season. Witherspoon was the main character in terms of screen time and involvement in all the storylines, but Woodley was the protagonist whose eyes we saw the series through. Reese and Shailene should have went lead, Kidman and Dern should have went supporting. However, the latter two had more narrative to win their deserved accolades, so it made sense to split them apart. The 2017/18 Limited Actress race was one of the best lineups in awards show history. As great (and justified) as Kidman’s sweep was; she, Witherspoon, Lange and Sarandon (I’ll include Huffman here too as she’s always phenomenal but I never saw the third season of American Crime) ALL gave career best performances.

Although she didn’t receive a nomination that year, Teri Hatcher submitted supporting for season 8 of Desperate Housewives- a series that always submitted as comedy despite being a drama.

Idris Elba and Helen Mirren always being nominated in Limited for Luther and Prime Suspect, despite them being ongoing series.

Woodley Harrelson going Lead for Game Change to stop him competing against Ed Harris.

 

 

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[Kelvin Joined: Mar 10th, 2020 Topics: 6 Posts: 479 View Predictions]

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Everyone from This Is Us. The category placements are beyond all over the place.

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[ricardo505 Joined: Jun 14th, 2015 Topics: 0 Posts: 473 View Predictions]

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DylanMcPhee wrote:

Idris Elba and Helen Mirren always being nominated in Limited for Luther and Prime Suspect, despite them being ongoing series.

As far as I know, both Luther and Prime Suspect were ineligible for drama series, which is ridiculous. Sherlock, The Hour and the last seasons of The Big C and Treme were also ineligible.

I think the biggest fraud for limited series/series was Downton Abbey. The second season started production in March 2011, nearly four months before the nominations announcement.

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[Brayden Fitzsimmons Joined: May 3rd, 2015 Topics: 111 Posts: 7510 View Predictions]

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I can never get over Melissa Benoist being submitted in Guest for the 4th season of Glee.

Where she appeared in 22/22 episodes and her character was literally introduced in an episode called “The New Rachel”, where she was literally picked to replace Rachel Berry as the lead.

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[Riley Chow Joined: Oct 11th, 2010 Topics: 156 Posts: 17597 View Predictions]

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ricardo505 wrote:

As far as I know, both Luther and Prime Suspect were ineligible for drama series, which is ridiculous. Sherlock, The Hour and the last seasons of The Big C and Treme were also ineligible. I think the biggest fraud for limited series/series was Downton Abbey. The second season started production in March 2011, nearly four months before the nominations announcement.

That was fraudulent, but where the rules required it at the time, as PBS aired the show in four blocks, so it did not have the six episodes required to qualify as a drama.

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[ricardo505 Joined: Jun 14th, 2015 Topics: 0 Posts: 473 View Predictions]

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Riley Chow wrote:

That was fraudulent, but where the rules required it at the time, as PBS aired the show in four blocks, so it did not have the six episodes required to qualify as a drama.

Oh, I didn’t know. Thanks, Riley.

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[Emmyfan Joined: Nov 26th, 2010 Topics: 74 Posts: 4627 View Predictions]

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Jon Cryer as Supporting Actor for Two & A Half Men and he won in 2009 after being nominated 2006 – 2008 and 2010. Then he went lead in 2012 and won.

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[Bebe Joined: Nov 10th, 2010 Topics: 5 Posts: 383 View Predictions]

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SNL performers in the guest acting categories! I don’t get why people aren’t more upset about this, since these nominations (and wins) for SNL performers take away from actual guest performers in comedy series.

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[Ivo Stoyanov Joined: Jun 3rd, 2015 Topics: 2 Posts: 1980 View Predictions]

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Desperate Housewives competing in Comedy instead of Drama is what bothers me the most.

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[Hoster1 Joined: Aug 8th, 2016 Topics: 4 Posts: 2417 View Predictions]

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The biggest fraud competing in Limited Series will always be Twin Peaks. A third season to a already existing series, featuring the same characters with 18 episodes.

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[Matheus Vaz Joined: Nov 1st, 2019 Topics: 0 Posts: 753 View Predictions]

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ricardo505 wrote:

I’ve watched Six Feet Under years ago and I might be wrong, so feel free to correct me. Michael C. Hall and Rachel Griffiths in lead doesn’t make any sense IMO.

I agree with Rachel Griffiths, the only lead lady in the show is Frances Conroy. I hope that it’s not why Frances lost back then cause it would be a shame. Michael C. Hall, otherwise, shares co lead with Peter Krause the entire series, imo.

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[BenitoDelicias Joined: Nov 3rd, 2010 Topics: 8 Posts: 5206 View Predictions]

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Lorraine Bracco always seemed like an ego case to me. She screwed herself out of an easy Emmy win in supporting where she always belonged.

Rose Byrne as supporting for Damages was a little ridiculous.

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